The PE Exam can be a real obstacle that almost every engineer, both those young engineers just out of college and those already with some field experience, will face at some point in their lives. Therefore, knowing the best tips and strategies to deal with the exam as a whole, from studying habits while preparing for it to how to control yourself on exam day, can come in handy. That’s what Isaac and Mark talk about in this new episode of the Civil Engineering Academy Podcast.
If you’re currently studying for the PE, or you know you’ll have to prepare for it some point in the future, this episode will guide you through the steps you should take while preparing for the exam, such as material organization and schedule, what depth exam to take, as well as how to approach questions, even those you do not know how to solve. Join Isaac and Mark, as they tell you the best tips you can get and share their own experience with the PE. For further information, comments or questions, email Isaac at [email protected] or Mark at [email protected].
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Isaac Oakeson: All right. What's up everybody. So today I got Mark back on with me.
Mark Oakeson: Hey, guys!
Isaac Oakeson: Hey, what's up? And today we're going to talk about some awesome PE exam strategies as you're preparing for the PE exam. So, I think between the two of us, we could share some wisdom.
Mark Oakeson: We ought to be able to do something. Yeah.
Isaac Oakeson: Cool. So, you know, just to start this out, I just want to recap, I guess, a little bit about the PE exam and that is a few statistics. So, typically, in a year, there's about 15,000 test takers that go through and take this exam. You know, quite a bit. Maybe it's less than you think it is. Maybe it's more. I don't know. But anyway, there's about 15,000 test takers. I would say on average, if you look at all the pass rates, it usually bounces between as low as like 58% up to, you know, 68%. And so, I would say, on average, about 65% passing, the first time you take the exam. There's a total of 80 questions. They're all worth the same point value. So, it doesn't matter if it's an easy question. It doesn't matter if it's a hard question. You need to get an answer on everything.
Mark Oakeson: You're not weighted differently. Huh?
Isaac Oakeson: Yeah. They're all the same.
Mark Oakeson: All the same.
Isaac Oakeson: And then you know, historically, typically you need about 56 points. So 56 out of 80, which is going to give you about a 70% to pass. Now, you know, there's some statistical modeling they might do. They might throw out a problem. They might say only 54 to pass, but those are things we don't typically know about. So on average, I think you need about a 70% or 56 to pass this exam. You agree with that?
Mark Oakeson: Yeah, that's the stats I've always heard.
Isaac Oakeson: Cool. And then, typically for the hours you need to put in to studying for this you need to put in anywhere between 12 and 20 hours a week. And, you know, we always refer people to study 20 hours. This ends up becoming for you basically a part time job. If you can put 15 to 20 hours in there, then I think you're giving yourself the best possible chance. So, what does that equate to? That equates to doing problems, like during the week. That also means you're doing studying on the weekends.
Mark Oakeson: Oh, weekend studying.
Isaac Oakeson: Yeah. Not fun, but you got to do it.
Mark Oakeson: You got to do it. In fact that's reminding me of my regimen when I was studying. And I blocked out a couple hours every night, plus weekends.
Isaac Oakeson: Yeah. And, you know, just a tip, I think some employers, you know, if this is a goal for you, it's also a goal for them, because the value of typical employees is that, you know, you getting your license. Some of them are willing to work with you and allowing you to do a little bit of studying there sometimes as long as your job is caught up or whatnot.
Mark Oakeson: That's true.
Isaac Oakeson: Is that true?
Mark Oakeson: Yeah. I had that opportunity as well. Plus, my employer paid for any of my reference materials and the cost of the test and all that stuff.
Isaac Oakeson: I was the same way. They paid for a lot of reference material. They paid for my exam. So, you know, employers want you to get this. So, take advantage of that and make sure you're putting in the time to get this, because it's going to be a value to them and to you. So Mark, let's take a look at the spec of the breadth problems. How they're broken down.
Mark Oakeson: Yeah. It's kind of interesting how they break these down, but 30% are construction problems. So, for better or for worse, the majority of the breadth problems come from the construction topic. We get 25% from the geotechnical area of civil engineering, 20% structural, which I personally like. 7.5% from transportation. And 17.5% is both water resources and environmental grouped together. But, why is construction so heavily weighted here, Isaac? Is that because it's a little tougher than everything else?
Isaac Oakeson: Well, as you know, I think these specs change every six years or so when they reevaluate them. And, in the past, I think water resources or environmental had their own categories. They were separated. And then they revisited that and they realized, "Oh man. I guess civil engineers actually do a lot of construction". And so--
Mark Oakeson: That is true. I'm one of them.
Isaac Oakeson: So they revamped it and now you've got 30%. So the majority of your questions for the breadth exam come from construction type problems. So, you know, I think that's where the emphasis is for civil engineering. Not that I think water resources or environmental is like been diminished at all. It's still a good chunk of the exam.
Mark Oakeson: So you think, essentially, they're looking at the population of civil engineers and what are they all emphasizing or what industries are they working in, and they're proportioning things based on that?
Isaac Oakeson: I think so. And I think they listen to academia, you know. They do their polling and they find out where people are working and I think they adjust these exams based on that.
Mark Oakeson: Okay. That makes sense.
Isaac Oakeson: Now the problem with that, though is you know, if you look at the depth exam pass rates for construction, they have the worst pass rates. So you get the most problems in the morning, but you get the worst pass rates for the afternoon. So maybe there's a red flag there we might want to talk about.
Mark Oakeson: Yeah. And that's interesting because I can see construction being -- That's obviously where I work and I can see it pulling in geo-technical, structural, transportation. I mean, it pulls in from every one of the disciplines within civil engineering. Maybe that's why.
Isaac Oakeson: I think so. I think people think it's going to be the easiest topic and then they end up getting slapped in the face because they realize there's a lot of stuff here. It's usually more wordy than the other depth exams. Not that there's like tricky stuff there, but, you know, more wordy problems make it a little more difficult to comprehend what they're asking for all that jazz. Anyway, speaking of depth exams, let's talk about how we select the depth exam that we want to take. Well, so what do you think about this?
Mark Oakeson: Well, I like looking at what you're doingIt's probably your first consideration. If you're an engineer that's, you know, working in the structural arena, then maybe that's the direction you want to go. Because that's what you're familiar with. You're being exposed to that every day, you're working those types of problems and maybe that's the direction you want to go. And the same thing happens if, you know, you're a transportation engineerThat's what you're familiar with. So, it just goes to stand to reason that that would be the direction you want to go.
Isaac Oakeson: Yeah. I would say whatever's going to help you further your career, is probably the one you want to go with. And if you're doing it, then all the better.
Mark Oakeson: Yeah. Perfect. Perfect. You're starting to get a handle on your material already. So, why not head that direction?
Isaac Oakeson: Cool. So let's further dive into this. So, another question we should probably be asking ourselves, if you're thinking about depth exams, is what kind of topics are you going to be handling? What kind of diversity of problems you're going to be dealing with? And I think the question here goes along with one of our other points, is really how much kind of support material do you have that ties in with your depth exam? If you look at the Civil Engineering Eeference Manual, which is a massive manual, that's back here, if you look into each of those topics, you can that the structural depth exam provides a ton of support material in the CERM. Water resources, a huge chunk of the CERM. Transportation is pretty good sized. So you get a lot of support in those topics. Geo-Tech is not as much, but, you know, maybe you don't need as much there. And then construction. There's very little construction support, but like Mark said, I think you hit a ton of topics within all of those. So, you know, it's helpful to know what kind of material you have at your fingertips to help support you.
Mark Oakeson: Yeah. That's all good stuff. Isaac, what if you have a group of individuals that you're working with, maybe you've got several other, I'll call them colleagues, that are trying to get the PE as well. Would it make sense to get with those individuals and have them be your study buddies?
Isaac Oakeson: Yeah. I think that makes a lot of sense,
Mark Oakeson: Especially if you're, you know, heading into the same topic for your depth exam.
Isaac Oakeson: Yeah, for sure. I think that's a great idea. If you can gather with other people, especially at your own workplace, that makes it really convenient.
Mark Oakeson: Yeah. And that's helpful when a you're somebody that's motivated by, you know, that group dynamic. I was motivated that way at least in my school career.
Isaac Oakeson: Yeah. And there's ways of getting with other people. You know, your local ASCE sometimes have, like, a student chapter or something. You can get to people there. So there's ways of finding groupsPerhaps, you can even join our private, well not a private, but our Facebook group for Civil Engineering Academy, ceacommunity.com. Go join them.
Mark Oakeson: Absolutely.
Isaac Oakeson: We'll get you in there and there'll be some PE test takers. Another question you want to think about when you're selecting your depth exam is the standards that go along with these and if you are actually familiar with them. So, I want to kind of just break this down, but if you look at the water resources -- You actually have zero references for water resources and it does have a lot of support material and the CERM. So, you know, if you're questioning which depth exam you're taking, that might be one you want to look at. And if you actually look at the pass rates, historically, water resource has a pretty good pass rate. Probably more than average.
Mark Oakeson: Yeah. That might be why. Huh?
Isaac Oakeson: Yeah. The other one isyou know, looking at construction, that requires nine references. There's little support in the CERM or it's scattered all over the place, you know. So, that one can be tricky. Structural -- I say, if you're working structural you're in it, and you should know the references. There's 10 references that you need for that one. And there's tons of civil engineering reference manual support. In fact, they've built a whole separate manual for structural engineers. There's a ton of structural support. And then you got transpo, which has the most references. That's 11 references. There is good support material in the Civil Engineering Reference Manual for that, as well. And I know a lot of people do take transportation and a lot of these references, most transportation engineers I believe, are very familiar with them.
Mark Oakeson: Yeah. They know all those standards and references and there's a lot of them, but they know how to get through.
Isaac Oakeson: Yeah. And then, lastly, is geo-tech, which I believe just has two references now. It used to be zero, but I think it does have to now that they list. So you know, there's not a lot there. I think if you know what a factored load is, because they list ASCE-7 now, but if you know what 1.2 dead and 1.6 live is, and I think you're covered for the geo-tech. Speaking of the CERM though, if you do need the CERM, go use our code and website, civilengineering academy.com/ppi. It'll take you to PPI's website and you can use our discount code of CIVAC and get 15% off any book you get there. So the CERM a great book. It's kind of the go-to resource for studying this stuff. And if you don't have it, then go get it. Mark, let's talk about during the exam, what are you going to do here?
Mark Oakeson: Okay. So here, we're going to talk a little bit about the strategy once you're into the exam, what do we do? The big one is working the problems as they come. So just take them one at a time as they're presented to you. If it's something that you're a little nervous about, you haven't seen it before, then skip it. Don't let that compromise your general progress on the test. Just take those problems as they come. If you can handle it right at that moment. And a lot of times I've been in situations where I've taken tests when I get a first look at a problem, it makes me a little nervous. I'm like, "Oh man, how am I going to tackle that?" But as you go through the material on the test, it kind of gets the juices flowing and jogs your memory and you can go back and handle those ones that you've skipped. Probably a little better.
Isaac Oakeson: Perfect.
Mark Oakeson: Yeah. You want to talk about the second one here, Isaac?
Isaac Oakeson: Yeah. So I think an important part of going through this is, when you're going through the exam, you know you're going to take it as it comes to you. If you don't recognize it, skip it. But naturally what you're doing is when you're looking at the first, say problem number one, you quickly, in your mind, you're already categorizing the problem. You're already thinking about where you saw it, what category it fits into and what they're trying to ask you. So, you know, if it's a transportation or zonal curve problem, you've automatically categorized it to figure out in your mind what you need to do to solve that problem. And that comes with practice. That's really what you're doing. Practicing problems so you can quickly categorize what they're asking you.
Mark Oakeson: That's a good point. That's a good point. Then when you've done that, you know where to look things up quickly in the CERM and find that reference material that you need, right? And one of the ways thatyou can utilize the CERM is to get familiar with the index that's there. So you can quickly reference topics. I actually had a -- You know, I was just, you know, remembering back when I took the PE. My wife actually helped me with a custom index and she's a really fast typer and she's really good at organizing things. And so she put those two skills together to help me out on just creating, like, this massive, comprehensive index that I could look up any key word in that sucker, and it would immediately reference me to the right location in the CERM and I could access information really quickly. And it worked great. It was a great, great resource.
Isaac Oakeson: Well, I wish we all had a wife like that. Just Kidding.
Mark Oakeson: I know I'm lucky.
Isaac Oakeson: Yeah. I used the index quite a bit. And where that came into play with me was really on the theory questions. I'd pick out that one key term they were talking about, you know, cause theory, you either need to go look it up or do a quick refresh on it. So the index came in handy for me on that. But I think in general, most students, you know, if you're studying for this, you're going to be tabbing up the CERM quite heavily with general topics. I mean, my tip for that would be kind of color code each section, you know. Maybe water resources is, you know, blue and transportation's yellow, or whatever you want to do, but you're going to tab this sucker up. It's going to look crazy, but you're going to have it. You'll be well familiar with the book.
Mark Oakeson: Yeah. I got into that. I had just a mess of tabs and that's actually what prompted my wife to do that custom index for me. I was overly tabbed. I was getting nuts.
Isaac Oakeson: Yeah. I took a picture, my book and I've seen it floating around on the internet that's being used, but yeah, it's tabbed like crazy. Everybody does that. So it's good. You know, speaking of a good reference, we actually do have a created, what's called The Ultimate Equation Reference Guide, and I've gone in and pulled out the most common equations that people have used in the CERM. Put it in a nice little guide for you. If that's something you're interested in, go find it at our website, civilengineeringacademy.com and you can even use our discount code to get $5 off. It's called discount5me, that's the number five. Discount5me, get five bucks off of that. But a lot of people have liked that equation reference guide as a quick reference, so they don't have to thumb through the entire CERM. It's just right there in front of you. Anyway, check that out. So, we're going to take basically three passes at this exam. We're going to make sure nothing is blank. I would suggest that it's okay to guess on some of these problems as you're going through the exam. You can mark that problem if you do have a question and want to come back to it, but I would not recommend stress guessing. And that means, you know, we've got five minutes left on the exam, I've got 10 more problems to do, and I'm just slapping everything on B or whatever. You've just kind of shot yourself a little bit by not even looking at those problems. And I don't think you want to do that. So, you know, there is a little bit of a strategy to guessing, but yeah, let's talk about these little numbers,
Mark Oakeson: Stress guessing. You shouldn't be in that situation until, I would say like, the very last minutes of the test, where you're just in the effort of not leaving anything blank, that's the only "stress guessing" you should ever be doing, right?
Isaac Oakeson: Stress guess. Yes. So, what about these? We pulled some of these numbers from the NCEES practice exams.
Mark Oakeson: Yeah. This is interesting. As we're talking about guessingthey've kind of broken down, the NCEES has broken down the percentage of answer A, B, C, and D's, that are offered on any particular question and the percentages are interesting. So if we've got, on the depth exam, right Isaac?
Isaac Oakeson: So this is comprised of all the depth exams. How many A's? How many B's were there? How many C's were there? How many D's were there, as an option? This is to help you realize like what the best multiple-choice selection might be if you were to break all these down.
Mark Oakeson: Yeah. And so there was 52 A's, 62 B's, 75 C's and 51 D's, were the correct answers, right? So the majority of the -- You know, C was the correct answer for the majority of the qeuestions. 75 of them. So just kind of interesting that in a real testing situation, maybe C is the one you should guess, especially if you're stress guessing at the very, very end. Your probability of getting the right answer is probably right there on the answer C.
Isaac Oakeson: Yeah. I mean, I don't know if that's going to be an indication of the real exam, but it could be. But I do think in general, though, our recommendation is to stick with one letter, if you are going to guess.
Mark Oakeson: Yeah. So, if you're guessing and C is the one that you've picked beforehand, just stick with that one every time. If you guess the same letter every time, again, your probability of getting the right answer is increased.
Isaac Oakeson: But hopefully you're not guessing on too many.
Mark Oakeson: No. No.
Isaac Oakeson: Okay. So as part of this, let's talk a little bit about units on the exam. I think this is kind of interesting because on the AM portion of the exam, they tell you that they are going to test you on both SI and US units that will be used. You know, so be prepared for that. But what about the PM exam?
Mark Oakeson: Well, the PM has primarily, you know, your US customary units, right? Or your US units. I think are the primary focus there, which is interesting. And that's probably driven fromnot only academia, but what real life practice, currently, in the United States. We're still using those US customary units. That's what everybody's comfortable with. It's what I'm comfortable with, despite the fact thatyou know, SI units fundamentally are obviously easier to use on a theoretical level or a fundamental level, but in here in the United States, that's just what everybody's used to. And so I think that's probably how that's getting driven. What you say Isaac?
Isaac Oakeson: Yeah, I agree. I think what's interesting about the NCEES though, is that they specifically list that the structural depth exam uses the US units. But if you go look at the rest of the depth exams, they don't, they don't tell you. And so everyone's like, "well, what units is, are they going to ask me. What are they going to do?" And so I think you're right, though. They will test you more on US units for your depth exams. And I also think what's interesting is that, you know, if you go back to the FE, typically your units have been SI units that they tested you on for the FE. So, it actually flips the script. So you got used to the SI stuff in school, and now you're in practice. We're going to test you on using the US units, mainly.
Mark Oakeson: Yeah, that makes sense.
Isaac Oakeson: That's, that's kinda the unitsquestion. Let's say we're all ready. We've practiced our problems. We're getting ready for exam day. How are we organizing, now, allll of our resources?
Mark Oakeson: Wellyou know, the big, the 800 pound gorilla, the big one is the CERM, of course. That's kind of your outline. It's like your template to help organizing all the subject matter. And frankly your studying efforts, right Isaac? It's like the outline.
Isaac Oakeson: Yeah, that's kind of what you're going to use. There has been more competition I've noticing coming. School of PE actually has a book that I've talked to, you know, and looked at. And they're actually creating a depth book as well. So, you've got -- You know, there's more competition out there, more resources, but the CERM has always kind of been the go-to resource. If anybody is interested in looking at the school of PEs manuals as well, you can go to civilengineeringacademy.com/sope to go check out theirs, but they do have a breadth book. But yeah, the CERM is the gorilla. That's the one you're going to be studying.
Mark Oakeson: And as things change to computer-based testing, right? When is it 2023?
Isaac Oakeson: 2023 we're switching over.
Mark Oakeson: Yeah. There's actually going to be something similar to the FE reference handbook, but it's going to be the PE reference handbook, right?. And ultimately that will be the only reference material you'll ever be able to usewhich throws in another little dynamic here, because it'll be interesting to see how the CERM changes maybe to match the PE reference handbook, or maybe, like you're saying, maybe there'll be other competitors that -- I don't know, structure a better study resource that'll kind of conform to that new standard. I don't know.
Isaac Oakeson: Yeah. I mean if you want to talk about the future, you know as we go, computer-based, there will be a PE reference handbook and it will be closed book exam, except for that. So your go-to resource will be that book that you'll want to reference equations from, but also you need to practice problems. And I think the CERM still provides you a great reference, you know, for work as well. It's a good book to have just in your office place. But, you know, the CERM could edit their book to reference equations from their manual and I don't see why they couldn't reference where it is in the handbook for people as well.
Mark Oakeson: It'll be interesting to see how that all plays out in the future.
Isaac Oakeson: So, yeah. So first we're going to organize that CERM, make sure it's tabbed, make sure you're very familiar with it. And then you've studied a ton of problems. So, what's the best way to organize all these problems you've now got?
Mark Oakeson: Well, to organize the problems.
Isaac Oakeson: Yeah. Just throw them in a binder.
Mark Oakeson: So you want them for like reference as you're actually going through the test and going back and saying, "Hey, I worked that problem before. Let's see, let's see what I did". Yeah. I mean, a binder's a great idea. You know, I'm kinda confessing some things here, but I wasn't that organized and I probably should have been. I really leaned on the CERM quite a bit for my practice problems, cause when I went through and studied, I mean, I'm looking at the CERM, I'm studying all the examples of doing all the practice problems. And so, that was kinda my notebook for my practice problems. Butit's a great idea to if you're, if you're kinda manually working things on the side,you know, work those problems. But if the CERM is going to be your main reference material during the test, just make sure thatyou can quickly access your written problems that you've done, you know, by hand off to the side. So you can make a quick correlation there if you need to, right? From the CERM to your practice problems.
Isaac Oakeson: I think if you can organize them based on categories, you know, transportation and structural et cetera. And, you know, when you quickly realize that you've got a problem that you've solved before, some people want to go find a similar problem that they've studied, which is totally fine. But yeah, you just want to have those things organized. And you could even, like Mark said, you know, have the CERM and your practice problems correlate with each other, so you can quickly go back and forth between the two.
Mark Oakeson: Yeah. That's what I would do.
Isaac Oakeson: And then you gotta have your specs. You gotta have your reference manuals for that, which is usually where people bring in their suitcases full of books.
Mark Oakeson: Yeah. So how many books did you bring in Isaac?
Isaac Oakeson: Honestly, so I did the geo-tech depth exam and I didn't bring the one reference manual with me because I selected that one at the time. And yeah, it does list two specs now, but every question I had that was from OSHA was found in the CERM. Anything that dealt with an ASCE-7 reference was also in the CERM. So I brought zero reference manuals for me. But if I was doing structural or construction, I would bring them.
Mark Oakeson: Yeah. I did structural. And so I had all my AISC manuals, my ACI manuals, my ASCE-7. I had an IVC. What else did I have? I mean, I had about 10 references that I brought in. There were some people in my group there that -- I mean they had like milk crates on dollies, just full of reference material that they had drug in. I tried to keep it to a minimum, but I knew that I would need, you know, some reference material on the structural depth.
Isaac Oakeson: Yeah, for sure. Well, and then lastly, you know, as you organize all those specs I think you want to bring in, I always recommend this for your specific depth exam, you're going to have specific depth books. So, you're taking water resources, bring a good, you know, hydrology and hydraulics book that you can reference out of. And, you know, that applies to all the disciplines. So make sure you have a good book that you can bring with you, so that you're not getting caught off guard on your depth exam when they throw a theory question that's not in the CERM. So, something like that. But that's really it. So, those four areas you should be good and organizing your stuff.
Mark Oakeson: Good tips.
Isaac Oakeson: Good tips, tips there. And lastly, let's talk about the exam day. I'll just hit one. The first one here, you know, it's exam day, make sure you've given yourself plenty of sleep the night before making sure we're getting in the right hours.
Mark Oakeson: Yeah. What did you do then ight before the test? What did you do?
Isaac Oakeson: Oh man. So I think a night or two before, like I just turned off the study mode, you know? I didn't want to study any more problems. If you don't know it by then, you don't know it, and you need to give your mind a break.
Mark Oakeson: Right. Right.
Isaac Oakeson: So that's my thoughts there. So I don't know. What did you do?
Mark Oakeson: I did the same thing. I was at the point where I was just, "you know what, if I don't know it, I don't know it'. I've got to get my mind kinda off of it, just at least for that night. And try to, I don't know, think about something else. Just so I can get some sleep. I wouldn't recommend, you know, taking some sleeping pills or something the night before saying, "Oh, I gotta get a good sleep. I better take something". Cause you'll make something else. You'll be groggy and kind of a lethargic in the morning. But you gotta allow yourself to get some good rest the night before.
Isaac Oakeson: I guess we should say "try" to get good sleep, because your mind is going to be busy. As you go into the exam though, the next thing I want to talk about is just kind of understanding where your strengths are, where your weaknesses are. You know, if you're taking transportation depth, you should be able to knock out every breadth transportation question that's thrown at you. And if your weaknesse is geo-tech, then you know, you understand that. So when you see a problem that comes up that you suck at, you know, make sure you understand what your strengths and weaknesses are. You're not going to know everything. You can't.
Mark Oakeson: Y'ou're not?
Isaac Oakeson: Yeah. You have to admit that as an engineer.
Mark Oakeson: I thought you knew everything, Isaac.
Isaac Oakeson: You'll not know everything. Like we said, get through the exam just as we mentioned, go through those passes, get through it. That's just part of it. You know, you're going to be nervous. Let your nerves calm down. Everybody's in the same boat, everybody's in the same struggle. Some have taken it. This is their first time. Some of them this is their eighth time and people are all over the place. So, you know, calm down. You'll get through it. Let go of the difficult problems that you really suck at. So if you are stuck on a problem, just let it go, man.
Mark Oakeson: And don't let it be a point of letting you, you know, get discouraged. I personally have the tendency to do like, "Oh man, I don't know that one". You know, there's something wrong with me. What's what's going on. Don't don't think like that. Just let it go. You can't know everything like Isaac said. Just let it go and move on. Get to the ones that you can tackle.
Isaac Oakeson: Yep. And that goes along with just, don't get stuck. Keep moving forward. Don't get stuck. You got to get through the exam. Okay. Work hard. Use the time they give you to work the problems. You know, you'll see some people that finish super quickly and whatever. You know, good for them. Most people aren't like that use the time they give you and work the problems. You know, time is a huge component of this exam. A lot of people get hung up on the time aspect of this. "I Only got six minutes per problem. I gotta get through this as quickly as possible". You know, just use the time they give you. Slow down, take a breath.
Mark Oakeson: Yeah. Just work the problems, you know. It's going to take as much time as it takes, you know. Use the time that they've given you, but just take enough timeto -- And everybody needs a different amount of time, Isaac. For different types of problems. I mean, nobody works problems at the same speed, right? The same efficiency. And so, but just take the time that you need to get the right answer and just get it and then work on the rest of them as you go, you know, as they come.
Isaac Oakeson: Okay. And then lastly, I think have a great attitude. I've, we've seen people with bad attitudes. They've been beaten down by this exam. You know, you can do this. I promise you can do it. If you're a repeat taker, just keep registering for the next one. Don't slack off on your study efforts. And, you know, don't, don't look at that as a reflection of you as a failure. It's just the learning process and jumping through these testing hoops. So, you can do it. Have a good attitude.
Mark Oakeson: Amen.
Isaac Oakeson: Yeah. We're here to support you. So if any of you guys ever need help, anything email Mark or myself, [email protected] or [email protected] academy.com. Also, if you need a full review course, we can definitely help you out with that. If you go to civilpereviewcourse.com, go check that out. It comes with lecture modules practice problems, exams, support, everything that you need to get this thing done and over with. We've helped people that had to take this six, seven times. So it's good stuff. Go check it out. And like I said, we're here to help you. So Mark, thanks for joining with me again. Hopefully thishelped everybody again.
Mark Oakeson: Thank you. It was a good time as usual. Thanks, Isaac.
Isaac Oakeson: All right. We'll see you later. Bye.
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