On today’s show, we hear from two international engineers, Noah Moscovitch and Mostafa El-Mogy, about how they got into the field, their journeys, the paths they needed to go through in order to become licensed professionals in their respective countries (and how it differs from the US), as well as their experiences in the civil engineering arena, and their favorite projects they have worked on themselves.
Mostafa is a Ph.D. with over 15 years of experience in the profession, who has worked on high-level projects in countries including the United Arab Emirates, Saudi Arabia, Egypt, and Canada. Just after getting his Bachelor’s degree in Egypt, he had the opportunity to work in Dubai, which provided him with the first-hand experience of what goes into the construction of huge and massive buildings. Noah is a professional engineer in Manitoba, Canada, with over 8 years of experience working in many different projects within the structural engineering discipline, from renovations and structural design to condition assessments and additions to existing buildings.
Noah and Mostafa are the founders of Structural Engineering Basics, an online platform that focuses on teaching the basics of structural engineering to those who are not structural engineers but deals with the subject almost on a daily basis, such as students about to graduate, contractors, project managers, architects, and building owners. Check the link below and start learning structural engineering today!
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Transcript of Show
Isaac Oakeson: All right. Welcome everybody. We're excited for another fun episode of our Civil Engineering Academy podcast. I've got two great guests with me today. We've got Noah on. How's Noah doing?
Noah: Doing great.
Isaac Oakeson: Doing great. And I got Mostafa as well. How's Mostafa?
Mostafa: Doing awesome. Thanks for having us.
Isaac Oakeson: Yes, we're very excited. As we begin,why don't we start with Noah? Where are you from? And like, how did you get into civil engineering? We want to know that.
Noah: I am a professional structural engineer in Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada. So that's in central Canada. And how did I get into civil engineering? For me, It wasn't as easy of a path as other people. To me, it was actually like, I did the first year university and I was struggling. I just took a whole bunch of different courses, science, business, and I pretty much said to myself, "What don't I want to do". So I kind of had a whole bunch of things. And then I ended up in engineering. And I knew I wanted to do engineering, something like that, but then it even took me another year to figure out what sort of discipline. But when I looked at civil engineering and saw how many options there were and how broad it was. And Then I still could have four more years of studying to figure out exactly what I wanted to do. And you know, when it comes to mechanical or electrical, it's broad, but I think civil engineering is, you know, you have the most opportunities. So that's sort of why I chose that. I didn't really have anyone in my family or around me who had experience in civil engineering. I didn't have many connections, so it was more of a tougher path, but it's one that I'm glad I took.
Isaac Oakeson: Awesome. That's good to know. So, you're in the structural engineering field right now, and you practice as a structural engineer where you're at. Cool. All right, Mostafa, let's talk about, you know, how did you get into this andwhat are you doing now?
Mostafa: That's a great question. For me, I've always had this interest and passion for buildings and tall buildings. And I was really fortunate after I graduated, I finished my undergrad in structural engineering, I got a chance to work in Dubai. That was back in 2005 and now they have the tallest building in the world. So, I got a chance to get a firsthand experience in what goes into the consulting side of designing and building tall buildings and tall structures. And after I went through this experience, I realized like, "Wow, there is a lot that you actually need to know and learn to be good in structural engineering". So I decided to go back to school to do my Masters, and eventually I decided to move to Canada. I'm originally from Egypt. This is where I did my undergrad and I decided to move to Canada to do my PhD. And eventually I ended up teaching at university andgetting myprofessional engineering license. And actually Noah and I, we work together in the same consulting firm. So, yeah, it has been a great journey.
Isaac Oakeson: Wow. So on your side, Mostafa, did you have any family members or anything? Like when you first started going to school, what was the drive to just jump into engineering? Is that just something you wanted to do?
Mostafa: Yeah, that's a very interesting question. My father actually is a structural engineer and I went to the same school that he went to. And I remember growing up likewatching him, like we were listened to him, like on the phone talking about like a project. I was very curious, like, talking about foundations, cantilevers, beams. I wanted to know what all these things are about. And when it was time to choose, I thought, "Well, you know what? I think engineering might be a good choice". And I ended up loving it. I think I'm very fortunate that what I chose ended up being really connected with what I'm passionate about and interested in doing.
Isaac Oakeson: That's awesome. And you're in Egypt right now, right?
Mostafa: I am.
Isaac Oakeson: Okay. And you still have a place in Canada, is that right?
Mostafa: Yes. Yes. So, I just very recentlymade thattransition. Moved back to Cairo andwhat I'm doing now, I'mThe school term is starting soon. I'mteachingengineering at university. So I'm busy preparing lecture notes and getting things started. So, looking forward to that.
Isaac Oakeson: Well, that's great. That's a fun journey for both of you. Tthat's really great to hear that. I want to ask, you know, you guys,you know, we've got Canada, we've got Egypt here. How do you become a professional engineer in those countries? Like, what are the requirements? What's the path to licensure there?
Noah: So, yeah, I can start for Canada. And actually in Canada, they leave it up to each province to sort of delegate what the requirements are. So I'm in Manitoba. We have engineers and geoscientists of Manitoba. That's the association, the governing association, that you have to get your designation from. So, for Manitoba and it's similar province to province, but there definitely are their differences. You have to get your undergrad degree. There is something called civil engineering technician, I'm not sure if they have those in the States. It's taking a similar path, but you can't become a professional engineer, like a licensed professional engineer, If you go with that path. You can do a lot of similar things, but you can never have your stamp and seal a drawing.
Isaac Oakeson: Do they have like retro prosody? Can you move between Provinces or do you have to do it separate?
Noah: You have to apply to get the designation and get your stamp in each province. I'm not sure if you have to go through everything, all the requirements. Maybe, once you have it in one province, it's easier to get in different provinces. Back to the schooling. So you have the four yearsusually that's what the undergrad is four or five years. Mine was a five-year program. Once you have that, it's not like the States. There are no big exams. We have two exams along the way. One is called the ABC Test or exam. And that's on like the code of ethics for the Manitoba association of engineersEGM. And then the second one is, I think it's more broad. It's offered in multiple provinces called theProfessional Practice Exam. So, it's not technical at all, but it's on ethics and it's on law, like construction law, engineering law. So, those are the two tests you have to study for, but it's not anything near what I hear It's like in the States, where you have the six-, eight-hour exams and studying nonstop while you're --
Isaac Oakeson: Yeah. There's a lot of that going on. So, I'm curious, like is there a lot of weight to being a professional engineer then in the country? Like --
Noah: You knowif you have your seal, you're taking responsibility and I mean, there's a lot of responsibility when you issue drawings and, you know, if something happens, especially if it's part of your design. If something, you know, if there's a failure and people get hurt, there's a lot of responsibility. So, I think that weighs this profession pretty high compared to some other ones. And back to getting your designation here what we do differently instead of exams, it's work experience. So, it's work experience and reports. So every six months for four years, you have to write a report. You have to get a mentor, a senior at your company to sign off on the report to review it. And it actually goes to like a experience review committee. And they'll give you comments after every report saying, "Okay. Yes, you're on the right track. This is okay". Or they'll give you recommendations. And after the four years of experience, you need three mentors or three references pretty much. And they have to write a report on you. You still have to do one final report, and then they have to write something to the association, like a letter of recommendation, or it could be a reason why they don't think you should get your seal right then .So, four years, but they put a lot of onus into, you know, getting your professional. It's called P. Eng in Canada, Professional Engineering Designation. It put a lot of onus on your mentors, the seniors, the people who have watched you do the work at the company to let you know the association and the public know that this person is ready to do the job and take responsibility on their own for their projects.
Isaac Oakeson: Wow. That's really interesting. I know in the States, we do also have to track projects that we've worked on and you do have to work under a licensed professional engineer in order for that to qualify, because they have to sign off on you. But it sounds like yours is kind of a step above that. That's really a big deal.
Noah: They also make us actually do like on top of like the work experience, we have to do volunteering work, you have to track all these hours, you have to track. And they have a review committee that looks to make sure you're actually doing the volunteering and you're doing, like, outside extracurricular work. And then even once we get our designation, every three years, like, sort of a running three year thing where you need to have 250 hours of extracurricular work. We break it down into formal activity, which is like seminars, informal, which could be like attending a workshop or reading a manual. So, you can do it at your work and I guess you can claim it. Participation that's like being on a board, volunteering on a board, judging a science fair. I've done that. Or giving presentations, stuff like that.
Isaac Oakeson: That's awesome. Well, not to switch gears, but let's hear about Mostafa. Like, I'm assuming you've got your professional engineering license in Canada. Is that right?
Mostafa: Yes. That's true.
Isaac Oakeson: You also have it in Egypt or in other places?
Mostafa: So, I mainly have it in Canada. AndI looked into, liketrying to compare the process in Egypt. And it seems as like a weighing more on years of experience. So, after you graduate there isn't a lot ofexams you need to do. They consider as like the academic qualification is going to be sufficient for you to start working as like an engineer in training, under supervision of a professionalengineer. And it takes much longer to be able to apply for the full license. I think they call it like a consultant professional engineer. Andit takes about 15 years, like in order to be able to get that full stage. Kind of be able to seal drawings on your own. It takes that much time and building yourcareer and the projects that you've worked on under supervision of professional engineers. So, the way it works is usually by the time you've been working that much in the industry. It's either like your partner in the office, or you have your own office and you have like, you know, junior engineers and you're mentoring a whole bunch of engineers. And thenthe full-licensed professional engineer is responsible for the actual stamp seal of the project, of the drawing. And of course all the engineers in training they're responsible as well, but they kind of report to the, the person who's comfortable with stamping and sealing he project. So, it's little bit different. It just like weighs heavily on like years of experience, not a lot of it-down, written exams. There is like a committee that you will have to present the body of work that you've worked on to demonstrate that you've worked on, you know, significant projects to kind of finalize that final stage.
Isaac Oakeson: Do you feel like that's the biggest challenge in getting the license? Is it the experience or is it something else? Is it the committee? Like what do you feel like is the biggest challenge in getting the license there?
Mostafa: I think it's therelevantengineering work. Like obviously the time. Youneed to be looking at it as like long term, like, "this is really what I want to be doing". I see myself, like, you know, in thiscareer, and maybe starting my own office or something like that, not just like working in a big consulting company and just like doing modeling or doing analysis here and there. SoI think that's definitely one of the challenges. It's just, like, how long it takes to be able to stamp your ownprojects. But, at the same time, my experience in working in Egypt has been in like a very largefirm working on like very big projects, tall buildings and things like that. So, it has always been like a big team working on the project. And each group leader or each engineer would be, of course, responsible for the work they do, but eventually the engineer of record, or like the professional that is going to put their name and stamp on it, is goign to have to make sure that everyone is comfortable with the work they've done, and they're professionally responsible for it. So, yeah, I think it's a long process.
Isaac Oakeson: So, I might've missed this, but what's the timeframe then? What's the timeframe it takes to get a professional engineering license there. What is that timeframe?
Mostafa: There are a few stages. For the full, final stage, it takes 15 years of work experience. So they're pretty heavy on, like -- You need to be, like, committed. Dedicated. Like, "I'm going to keep on doing this until I get that license."
Isaac Oakeson: That's awesome. And then Noah in Canada, what did you say was the timeframe to get the license with gathering all your experience?
Noah: Four years.
Isaac Oakeson: Okay. Wow. So in the Statesit really depends on which state you're in. They have different requirements, but you know, usually the max amount of time is four years after you've been out of school, working under a professional engineer to get your license, to get that designation. There also are States that allow two years of experience to get that license. And there are States that require additional stuff, like California does additional testing on top of the test that everyone has to take, California does their own little thing, and they do additional testing to test you on seismic, as well as surveying. So, you have to do additional exams on top of that. So, there's a whole different flavor there for experience and the time it takes to get a professional engineering license. I'm curious, like, I'm from the United States, if I came to Canada or I went to Egypt, does any of this stuff I've worked on here count? Or do you have to start over? You think.
Noah: You definitely don't have to start over. I know that. There's applications you can do, and there's gotta be a test. I'm pretty sure there is a test for competency, or maybe if you're used to the Canadian codes. But you don't have to start from square one. I know that.
Mostafa: I think it will take at least one year of working in Canada, like a professional experience in Canada. Because the process starts with academic qualification and probably most schools in the US are going to be academically qualified in Canada. So, once you get that kind of checked off the list the next thing is that one year ofCanadian experience and then you register as an engineer in training. And I think you can argue that the amount of years that you've worked in the industry, like, when you're writing your reports can count. So you would reference, like, the professionals that you've worked with andmaybe you need four years worth of reports on work that you've done. So, for me, big part of the time I spentdoing my research, working on my PhD counted as professional experience because my advisor he's a professional engineer. So, the work we did and all the design we did in the lab and the testing and research counted as professional work. So, that kind of helped me in this way that the amount of time I spent doing research counted as professional experience. So, I think you can -- Yeah, you might argue like, you know, because professional structural work is structural engineering work. And I think there is a chance that you can argue that this is relevant work.
Isaac Oakeson: Yeah. I'm just curious because I do think that there are engineers that want to venture out, you know, and go see if they can apply what they've learned and skills they have to other countries as well. So that's just an interesting--
Noah: On over to Canada where we'll welcome you with open arms.
Isaac Oakeson: There you go. So, you touched upon this. Maybe we can dive into this a little bit about building codes. Like to what lengths do you guys think that your countries have adopted building codes and are they well enforced?
Noah: Building codes in Canada? Well, there is the national building code that we follow and every, I think over the last 20 years, I think they release a new edition every five years. So, there was the 2005, 2010, 2015. I'm not sure if 2020 came out yet, but anyways. So that's the overall for the country, but each province has their own building code for the most part. And they will reference the national building code, but have their own amendments. So they'll say, "Okay, so the majority of the code is Manitoba code. Get a copy of the national building code and that's our code except for these things'", and then they have a bunch of amendments. So, Manitoba building code actually is behind. We're still referencing 2010, because you don't have to adopt everyone. You just have to adopt a certain code. So, there's some changes in the 2015 code that most other provinces around the country have already you know adopted. One being like there'sa load combination stuff for structural engineering that they're using a certain combinations and certain factors while we're still using the previous ones. So, we're leaning towards -- I'm pretty sure in Manitoba we're going to start adopting 2020. So, we'll have a bit of a learning curve compared to other provinces because we're going to be learning 10 years worth of new elements to the code. And also seismic. In Manitoba we're not in a seismic zone. So the old code given there was a clause, or at least in the Manitoba building code, the 2010 version there's a clause that says you don't have to take into account seismic in your design, If there's a number is less than a certain thing. But the new code, I'm pretty sure they make you check it and no matter what. That thing we're going to have to do because of this, this new code.
Isaac Oakeson: Interesting. Yeah. I was curious about that. And Mostafa, do you know anything about that in Egypt? What codes they're using? Are they well adopted? Are they using them?
Mostafa: That's a very interesting question because I think the middle East now has the tallest building in the world in Dubai. And I know Saudi Arabia is planning to steal that title. They're building an even taller tower.
Isaac Oakeson: Burj Khalifa, right?
Noah: Burj Khalifa?
Mostafa: Yeah. That's the one in Dubai and The Kingdom Tower, I think. It was supposed to be finished this year, but I'm not sure with likethw Corona and all the things that is happening around the world, It might delay it a little bit. So, the interesting experience is like I know when I was working in Dubai in 2005the city was like adoptinginternational standards. So, the American standards, they were like widely accepted, like, "You know what? Design the entire project, according to the American standards." And they are very good, well-developed standards, you know, in terms of like concrete design code or even testing specifications. And it was, for me, very interesting. I studiedundergrad mainlythe Egyptian standards, which are very close, very similar, I find, to the British code, the British standards. One of the main differences that I still remember like those, the Egyptian standards and the British test the concrete strength by testing a cube specimen. In Canada and the States likewe test the cylinder. So there's just little differences like that. The factors of safety are different. Each country kind of decide based on like the practice of the industry in the country. But it's widely accepted that international codesespecially in countries like Saudi Arabia and in Dubai and the Emirates where they have like these super big projects, and where they're literally pushing the boundaries. Like, when you're building the tallest building in the world, there are a whole set of challenges that you know, you're going to be solving for that first time. I remember one of the challenges they faced was, you need very high-strength, concrete. Like the highest-strength concrete I've used was like about 70 MPA. That's Metric. I think in pounds that's like maybe 4,000 psi or something. Yeah.
Isaac Oakeson: Probably higher than that.
Noah: More than that. Probably like 8,000 psi
Isaac Oakeson: Yeah, in the States we use -- I've also looked into ultra high strength concrete where they're putting in fibers into the concrete mix, and they're using kind of like new technologies, like nanotubes and stuff like that, to really boost the strength of the concrete up to crazy amounts of compressive strength. So, that would be interesting to know what they're using for that stuff.
Mostafa: And it's interesting when you push it that far, the code equations that predict like the modulus of elasticity and the stiffness of concrete, no longer kind of match the predictions. So, you need to kind of work on your own testing and monitor the stiffness of the structure. Is it according to the design or not? So I think it's very interesting when you're trying to build something that is a little bit out of the norm, then you might need to resort to like an international code or international standards, and the local standards might not be enough.
Isaac Oakeson: Yeah, that makes sense. So it sounds like no matter where you go, you have to do some homework on standards. Everyone's going to have to do something like that to research what you're getting into and what really is applicable to your case. That sounds fascinating. I'd like to know personally from you guys, like what's a favorite project that you've worked on yourselves? So, Noah, why don't you go first?
Noah: Let's see, let's see. One of my favorite ones, and I've mentioned it before. If you end up on our website, I think I talk about it. But it was a restaurant, a local restaurant in Winnipeg, that was pretty popular, but then I guess it wasn't keeping up with the time. So, the owner tried to change things up and he turned his restaurant into a micro brewery. And so I was involved with like the whole design and retrofitting of the restaurant to now accommodate like huge tanks of beer and all the hops and all the other stuff that goes into making a brewery and making beer. That's super heavy. Like this stuff wasLike the floor was not designed. The floor was designed for, you know, people sitting, having some chicken or steak, not for these huge tanks. So we have to do lots of reinforcing to the structure, new foundations, like I remember pouring the piles inside of an actual building. That was pretty neat to see them get in there and do that. And we pour out the floor, we put in new, heavy beams. There was a lot of things like they needed blast control on the windows. So if they wanted the restaurant to be able to see into the brewery, so the windows were super high strength. I had to do some special design there. And now that that's done, I mean, it was a smaller job, but that's a really cool project for me because now it's in my area. I go there with friends all the time and I point things out and I say, "Hey, that bem is my design or the floor you're sitting on right now. This is a solid floor. It's not going anywhere".
Isaac Oakeson: Very memorable. That's awesome.
Noah: And also me and Mostafa, he's not working with me anymore, but we did a few high-rise projects together at the firm. We worked as a team together. I was more of the overall sort of project manager and design of overall components. But Mostafa was always the one doing the modeling. He's really experienced in modeling high-rise buildings. So, he would give me information from there. We worked together to solve things, make the building stiffer and take the loads down to the foundation. So, I really enjoyed doing that when he was around.
Isaac Oakeson: Well, how about you, Mostafa?
Mostafa: I have to say, one of the really interesting projects I got a chance to work on is this tallbuilding in the city of Mecca in Saudi Arabia. It's very famous for the clock. It has a clock. Big, huge clock on top of it. It's called Mecca Royal Clock. And that central tower is like 120 floors. I think it's one of the top 10 tallest buildings in the world. And the whole project was a very interesting challenge because it was where -- The site where the project was going to be built, there was like a big hill and they decided that they needed to remove a big chunk of it, like huge amounts of demolishing, like the rock and stabilizing the soil and all the slopes and the rocks. So, it was a very expensive project. I remember it for like the wind tunnel testing that was needed to assign the wind loads. And I did the finite element modeling and worked with the loads from the wind tunnel, and put seismic loads, and tried to get the walls to work, and design all these elements. That was a very interesting project. And one of the elements that I still remember to this day was a transfer -- Like, for the load transfer for the typical floors to kind of reach the foundation the footprint of the structure intersects with like a highway. There is like two big traffic lanes at the bottom of it. So, it created these huge spans and eventually the solution was like very thick, concrete slab, transfer slab. Like five meters, that's like three floors or something like that. It'swas very interesting. Reinforcing this solid concrete slab for shear with like stirrups and heavy layers of einforcing, that was a project in itself. Very cool stuff.
Isaac Oakeson: Noah, did you know about that? Did you know about Mustafa's project that he really liked working on?
Noah: Yeah. I remember. He definitely showed me some stuff about it. Sometimes we were comparing our projects to to that one, but nothing really compares to that.
Isaac Oakeson: That sounds awesome. Well, let's jump into just some really quick answers. I'd like to ask you guys, and you can both answer them really quickly, but like , what's an Obstacle that you faced when you became a civil engineer? Noah, do you want to go first?
Noah: One of the obstacles for me, it would probably be that, I mentioned before, I didn't really have any connections to the engineering industry. So, I was sort of on my own, you know? Like, I had some people in engineering class that I was friends with, but I didn't know other than the professors in my class. I didn't know anyone that I could go to for advice or help. So, I sort of had to do a lot of that on my own. Figure things out. So I would atend some associations or conferences, or lunch and learn, try getting, you know, ahead of the game. It took a while, and even once I started, finally got the job I wanted. Just being able to learn what it's like to be an engineer in the consulting industry that took me a while. I know my learning curve started pretty slow, or at least my trajectory, likeIt just took me a while to understand how things work, you know? When you're constructing a building or when you're doing the design, if you have no experience, like some of the other people in my office or like they, they would have had experience, I don't know when I'm designing a concrete beam or a steel connection. Like, is this actually constructable? So that was onechallenge for me. That took me a few years to really wrap my head around, you know? If a beam is this big, how much rebar can actually fit in that? Or if there's this obstacle and this way, or this architectural element, you know, even if this beam size works orthey span works it may not actually work for the architect. So, just figuring out how things come together and being able to work as a team and realizing that it's not just the structure that's being built. It's so much more that's involved. Same goes for any other area of civil engineering. It's not just our work, there's other disciplines that need to have input.
Isaac Oakeson: Very good. And Mostafa, what's an obstacle you faced when you became a civil engineer?
Mostafa: For me, I would say too much school work. The program I did undergrad was like very heavy on courses. There was like whole bunch of courses. Like I remember the third year undergrad, there was like a lot of projects and structure drawings and whole bunch of assignments and things like that. But, by the end of my undergrad, I was exhausted. I was ready to like, not touch school again. But it's funny because I ended up going back for my master's and PhD.
Isaac Oakeson: Yeah. That's a lot of school.
Mostafa: Yeah. That's a lot of school. You're right
Isaac Oakeson: Well, I want to be as respectful of you guys as time. Let's talk about a resource, either one of your own or something you wanted to share with the CEA community that you could share with us. So, I know you guys have your own website, maybe you could chat about.
Noah: Sure, sure. So, a resource that we would recommend all your listeners and viewers to check out is our website. So, on the side of working as consulting engineers, and as Mostafa as a professor, we started this thing in our free time. This sort ofsmall business or this platform called Structural Engineering Basics. So, if you're a civil engineering, either a student or a new grad, interested in getting into structural engineering. Or if you, you know, just started off as a structural engineering intern and you want to know, you know, what it's like having a bit more experience under your belt and how other engineers approach structural engineering. Definitely a good resource to check out. So, on our website, we have free blogs. We've got videos. We also have a YouTube channel. But our main thing is we have an online course that we created, and it teaches people about the basics of structural engineering. It's great for students, it's great for new grads, like I mentioned. We also have a lot of students in our course who are contractorspeople building the structures. They should definitely know some background on structure engineering. You know, it'll save them time, if they know about how connections work, how loads are transferred. There's plenty of stuff. I think we have 13 hours worth of content in our course. In the course you also get access to us. So we have like office hours, youcan ask us questions, go over some of the assignments quizzes or anything. Just talk about what structure engineering like is where you are in the world, because we have people all over the world in our course, which is awesome beause we learn. Pick each other's brain about different things. What a job sites like the differences and stuff like that. So, I know we have people in Mostafa's end of the world Japan, New Zealand, India, Brazil, all over the US, all over Canada and it applies to everyone. So, if you're in the States, yeah, we made it in Canada, but it's more the universal. It's The big picture of structural engineering. So, we're not going into technical stuff or units. Like we might mention some metric, Canadian units, but it really won't deter you from, or prevent you from, getting the full experience, of course.
Isaac Oakeson: Hey, that brings up a question. I have, did they, did they teach you US units in school when you go through school? Do you have to learn those too?
Noah: No. I mean, you learn some in high school maybe and you learn fractions in elementary school, so we know how to use stuff. Butmost of it is, for us, is kilograms, kilo Newtons, meters. Stuff like that.
Isaac Oakeson: We have to learn both. And then when you actually get in the industry, like it definitely gears toward the US system of units for structural engineers, for sure. But any other industry, you're using both.
Noah: Right now, like as an engineer, I learned a lot of that on the job. So psf, psi. It all depends on either --
Noah: Yeah. If the client wants to do the drawings inmetric or Imperial. Like, If they want to do Imperial, then you gotta do everything in feet all the dimensions, you have to put your loads in --
Isaac Oakeson: That's cool. I was just curious. Just curious. Units always come up. So, Mostafa, do you have anything to add on this resource or anything else outside of it that you want to talk about?
Mostafa: As I mentionedstructural engineering basics is an online platform. It helps people understand the basics of structural engineering. The website is structural.engineeringbasic.com. There's lots of free content and information that you can find helpful. And you can actually sign up for like a free intro section to the course, if you want to check it out, to see if the content is something that you're interested in. Andwe're very fortunate, actually, by the feedback we got frompeople that we've helped. Actually we have a contractor from the United States. He used ourprogram to kind ofteach and train his staff forthe construction work they do. And a project manager from Japan. He found himself, like, responsible for developing structures and he's leading teams of professionals with, with structural engineers. And he thought like, "Hey, I need to learn about the basics". Andyeah. We got very positive feedback from the people that we've helped. So, yeah. Check it out and you can reach us at [email protected] And yeah. We'd love to get in touch.
Isaac Oakeson: That's great. And we set up a special link for everybody listening. If you go check out structuralengineeringbasics.Com/Cea, you'll be taken to kind of a page where it describes each course, and you can check out which course that you would like to check out yourself. So, it's a special link. Definitely go check it out. Structuralengineeringbasics.com/cea to go check that out. I like to end with this question. It's kind of a fun one. But if you had all the resources in the world, what is something that you would like to be a part of as a civil engineer?
Noah: For me, maybe, I always liked watching that show Mega Projects. I think it was on discovery channel. So I think it would be like working on a magic mega project, like world's tallest building or a massive dam, but being able to collaborate with engineers or a project team from all over the world. Because I know those projects you'll see the architects from the States, and the lead contracting company could be from, you know, Arab Emirates and you could have mechanical engineers from this country. And so, I think that would be awesome to work on a team withpeople who can bring, you know, their talents and expertise from different areas around the world.
Isaac Oakeson: Very cool. And Mostafa, how about you?
Mostafa: I definitely agree. Mega projects are really cool and fun to work on, but there's actually this thing that I'm really interested in and it's kind of, like, I think it's still developing the industry of like building homes. Like, I don't know if you heard about this like 3D-printed homes or like pre-assembled homes. It's something like to me, that's logic way of building homes. Like you mass produce them and ship them tothe site and then assemble them and they're ready and you can build them very quickly. But obviously there are going to be a lot of challenges to do that. And I think that regulations as well and the standards and safety and things like that. So, I think in concept it's a pretty cool concept. It will obviously take a lot of resources to develop it and change the way we build our homes. But I think this could be a reality. This could be a reality some day.
Isaac Oakeson: I think it's happening already. Right? There's some of that that is going on. That's really cool. Well guys, thanks for jumping on the show. I think it's been fun to learn about internationally professional engineers, the requirements that you go through and everything along with that. Fun to share your resources as well. And you've left your email address so people can get ahold of you that way if they want to reach out more to you. So I really appreciate you guys jumping on.
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