This is another episode that will certainly empower and motivate many women out there who feel that inner passion for pursuing career positions in areas of expertise that are somewhat still mainly dominated by men. Today, we hear from Melody Gonzalez, a female immigrant from Venezuela, and a single mother of two kids, who made her way in becoming an engineer despite all the obstacles she faced in life.
As an immigrant, she had to deal with all the changes that come with an international relocation, such as environmental and cultural changes, as well as language barriers. Since she came to the US about 15 years ago, she was proficient enough for the day-to-day basic things. However, getting into engineering school requires a more technical vocabulary and good comprehension of such technical terms and texts. The SAT was her first obstacle. After daily 12-hour study periods, she finally got into Miami Dade College, and from there, later transferred to the Florida International University (FIU).
Melody is now a civil engineer for Black & Veatch, proudly working on projects that focus on water resources and infrastructure, as well as sustainable solutions for the community. One of her main pieces of advice for the generations of civil engineers to come is to love what you do, especially if it’s civil engineering. Getting through school is hard, and it doesn’t get easier when you start working. That’s why working with what you love, at a company that is in alignment with your values, and alongside people that will serve as mutual mentors to each other, both professionally and personally, is the key.
This conversation is a great source of inspiration not only for women but also for men. As the “dominant” genre in the area, they have the moral responsibility to help the female percentage in the field grow. Melody is a great example that obstacles are just temporary problems that require you to change in order to overcome them, but that will certainly take you to the next level as a professional and a person. Don’t forget to check out her article telling her journey in a more in-depth, detailed, and personal manner that will certainly contribute to your perspective of life.
Melody Gonzalez’s LinkedIn – https://www.linkedin.com/in/melody-a-gonzalez?trk=author_mini-profile_title
Melody Gonzalez’s Instagram (@melodygonzfiu) – https://www.instagram.com/melodygonzfiu/?hl=en
Melody Gonzalez’s Article “How I went from a Single Mom to an Engineer: Living the American dream.” – https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/how-i-went-from-single-mom-engineer-living-american-gonzalez-e-i-/?trackingId=m1%2FqKgHkSeOXGm7Vj6mLyA%3D%3D
Black & Veatch – https://www.bv.com/
Florida International University (FIU) – https://www.fiu.edu/
Miami Dade College – https://www.mdc.edu/
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Isaac Oakeson: Hey, what's going on, everybody? Isaac here with Civile ngineering Academy. I wanted to jump on real quick as an introduction to my next guest on our podcast, and that is Melody Gonzalez. I actually reached out to her. She did an awesome I guess origin story on LinkedIn. I read it. It was awesome. Details her entire journey into civil engineering, how she is an immigrant from Venezuela, a single mother, and how she overcame all these obstacles to become a civil engineer. It's a fascinating story. Hopefully we can link that in the description as well, so you can check that out. But I wanted to jump on, introduce her. She is amazing. She's a civil engineer in Florida. She works for Black & Veatch, and we talk all about it today in our podcast episode. So, it's going to be awesome and it's going to be coming right up. Before that does, I just want to make mention, if you haven't signed up for our newsletter, make sure you go do that. Civilengineering academy.com/newsletter. And that way you can get all the little tips that we have for you to help you pass the FE, the PE, career tips, and also keep you up to date on future podcast episodes, as well as releases of video practice problems and everything else that we throw out there. So, go check it out. Civilengineering academy.com/newsletter. And with that, we're going to be coming up with the interview with melody. So, it's coming right up.
Isaac Oakeson: All right, what's going on, everybody. I have Melody on with us today. I'm excited to bring her on the show. I guess I did describe a little bit of our background melody, and maybe I could just touch upon it a little bit. But, you wrote an awesome origin story on LinkedIn and I reached out to on LinkedIn and that's kind of how we connected to bring you on. So, with that, how are you doing?
Melody Gonzalez: I'm doing great. I'm very excited to be here. Thank you very much for reaching out.
Isaac Oakeson: Awesome. Well, as we dive into this a little bit, maybe from your own words -- You know, you don't need to go over everything that you detailed, but maybe describe a little bit about where you came from, how you ended up getting into the civil engineering field. I think that would be fun for people to hear.
Melody Gonzalez: Well, it's interesting. I actually started studying engineering back in Venezuela. I'm from Venezuela and I came here probably 15 years ago, and then life happened. Married, two kids, and I felt like I needed to be full-time. Mom. My kids were little and it's so much pressure to be there and, you know, doing everything. But, inside me, I needed to do more. I needed. I felt like some part of me was missing. So, after I divorced, I realized "Well, nothing is stopping me now. I can do whatever I want to do, and let's go for it". So I found good people on the way to help me out. Mentors or [inaudible] that helped me to get there, but I chose -- Long story short, I went back to learn English, proper English, because, in the day to day, you know how to go to the supermarket, to ask for stuff, to go to the store. That's something. But actually going to engineering school, you need a different set of tools. You need grammar proper. So, I needed to go back to school to learn English. And then after that I was able to get into Miami Dade College. And then, from there, transferred to FIU. And all of that to me was so -- Every step, even though it looked like it was a small step for a regular person, for me was big because being a mom and having to balance everything and learning everything from [inaudible], not growing up here, everything to me looked like, "I don't know if I'm going to be able to do it". So I finally got into university. FIU. I couldn't believe it. That's one of my happiest days, to be honest. And then, you know, everything started just flowing. I was what I wanted to be, doing what I wanted to do. I'm not saying that it was easy balancing kids and school. It was complicated. But I was able to graduate and very excited to actually get my goal.
Isaac Oakeson: That's awesome. So, maybe I could ask you a few questions, like, you touched upon how it felt to get into college. And, I guess, going before that, you mentioned that you came to the United States 15 years ago. I guess, going back then, what brought you to the United States, and then how difficult was it to get into college?
Melody Gonzalez: Well I came here like many immigrants looking for better opportunities, trying to improve. Venezuela, at that time, was looking like it wasn't going in the right direction. And, how things look right now, I think that I make a really good decision coming. Things are complicated there to save the beliefs. And getting into college. Wow. I did high school back in Venezuela, and it's very different. Very different. So, getting into college was -- I needed to take the SAT. I didn't even know what was SAT when I try. And my advisor from Miami Dade College it was the one who told me "This is the path that you need to do". I still have, beeliever it or not, I still have the piece of paper from my first appointment with her, when we lied out the plan. Like "These are the options. You can go here and take the SAT, transferred to university, and do these, these, these, and these.", And it was kind of a five-year plan, like I said in the article. "Or, You can try to do these other things.", and these were a couple other things that were more short-term. I said, "You know what? I'm going for it. For the big one". But getting into college, starting for the sat. Wow! I started [inaudible] in Venezuela. So, I thought I knew math, for example. But when you can't even understand the problem statement, that's no way that you can apply any math. The vocabulary was a challenge for me all the time. So, it was a lot of research. I have to look over a lot of test-taking tips, learning what things mean, exactly, because when you translate, it meant something else. So, it was a huge challenge. I was starting for two months straight. I have other people that I started with. And I remember I drove my kids to school, I dropped off and I went to pick up my study buddies to go back home, to study from 9:00 AM all the way to 9:00 PM every single day.
Isaac Oakeson: That sounds like studying for the PE exam. Or the Fe exam.
Melody Gonzalez: I know! I wouldn't believe that I'd passed. I was so sure, and I don't mention this in the article, but I was so sure that I wouldn't pass. There was absolutely no way that I will pass that I took the test twice. I took it, and I was so sure that I wouldn't pass that I arrived back home, I registered again, and I paid to say "This is the second time". I was sure there's absolutely no way that I can pass. So, when the score arrived and I passed, I was like, "Is this right?". I went back and I took it a second time, and of course I didn't improve my score. But, with the one that I got in the first time, I was able to get into college.
Isaac Oakeson: Awesome. So I'm hearing a few challenges. The first challenge is obviously that you had to learn English properly, so you could read, comprehend and understand problems in the engineering field. And then, you got into college by taking the SAT and then it just kind of rolled from there. Does that sound right?
Melody Gonzalez: Yep. Yep.
Isaac Oakeson: Awesome. I mean, that's good advice for anybody that's coming here or is in a similar situation as you. You know, they could fall right in your footsteps to get where you're you're at. So very, very inspiring.
Melody Gonzalez: Definitely. If I can just add up something there, when I took the SAT, like I say that I was sure that I wouldn't pass, I wasn't feeling confident enough to take it as an immigrant, speaker of another language, you never feel like you speak English good enough. Never. Even today. Sometimes I have conversations with people that I don't fully understand because they have a strong accent or they speak very fast. So, you never feel like you are, you know, a hundred percent, like "I made it". You never feel that way. So, my advice to the people that are in that place is: Try it. You don't feel like you're there, you don't feel like you are confident enough, but try it. Try it. Just go for it and try it. Because, if you wait for that moment to feel like "I know I can do it", you're never going to do it.
Isaac Oakeson: Yeah. Well, I think people even in the United States don't know English very well sometimes. We're all learning. So, that's great advice. So take us to where you are today. Who do you work for? What do you do? What's your day to day now?
Melody Gonzalez: Well I'm a civil engineer in the water business for Black & Veatch. I work on many different types of projects, everything related to water and water infrastructure, and sustainable solution to the community. Most of the projects that I work are here in South Florida, but I have already worked with projetcs in Washington DC. I worked in one in Toronto, Canada, which that was pretty cool. And what I do right now in this state, in my career level, I do design. Most of what I do is just technical design, meaning I need to come up with solution for what the client wants to do. For example, one of the projects that I'm working, it's a pipeline project for the new pump station. And, as easy as it could sound, it's a way more than just having space to put your pipeline. You have to be a lot with coordination within utilities, stakeholders knowing the regulation - that was something that you don't learn at school, and you learn when you're actually working - the politics, and legislation affect a lot of our work. And, for me, it's a big thing. You definitely don't learn that at school. And that's part of your day to day. You need to know what kind of permits and what kind of laws you need to comply, so you can actually do and find a solution for the problem that you are working on.
Isaac Oakeson: That's great advice. So, when you're in school, you're learning all this, and you get out of school and you're starting to work, is there anything else you've noticed that you didn't learn in school that you're learning now? I said a lot.
Melody Gonzalez: Yes. It's a lot. I would say one of the majors is the money constraints. Legislation is a big thing. Yeah. Everything that you do need to be within the permits and what is allowed to do. But money is the key. If you project is just too expensive, it won't get built. It doesn't matter how good, great it is, it just won't happen. And that's something that you definitely don't learn at school. You just think about the technical solution, and how's the best way to do it, but you don't learn that, most of the time, is not just the best solution, but it's the more cost effective solution they want to win. And the one that actually get built.
Isaac Oakeson: Yeah. Money is a huge factor on projects. I mean, I work as well and every year, there's a huge rush to try to get all these jobs done before the end of the year. Or, if you don't have money to do it, you just can't do it. So, yeah. Budget is a big deal, for sure. I'm curious, what advice would you give to someone that wanted to pursue a career similar to yours.
Melody Gonzalez: The first will be to love what you do. Engineering is a hard career to study. Just starting like that. It's difficult to get through school. Your classes are very hard. You professors are, well, they are engineers like you. So,That's a challenge by yourself. We engineers are very special people. So your professors are very special people. And so, getting through school is difficult. And then, when you go to work, it's the same thing. Either you work in the public sector, or you work in consulting, or something else, it's very demanding. It's a lot of hours. It takes a lot of ins and outs of the project. So, typically, we engineers have long hours, and long days, and long weeks, and months. And it's like every project is like final week. But you don't have two or 3 per year. You have 15, 20 for per year, depending on the amount of [inaudible] that you're working. So, my advice would be love for you do. You need to go into, not just a career, but the job that you actually like. Work for a company that align with your values, personal values, that understand you as a person and not as a "man-hour".
Isaac Oakeson: Yeah. I love that advice. I think you've gotta love it.
Melody Gonzalez: So, if you love what you do, and you love going to work every single morning, it's not going to be that heavy. I love what I do. Absolutely love what I do. I will do it for free, but don't tell my boss.
Isaac Oakeson: Wow. Way to go. I think being in engineering, you kind of -- You learn to love, like, learning. And so when you find what you enjoy doing, whether that's water resources or geo-tech, or transportation or structuresand you find out that's what you enjoy doing, that when you're in your career you'll want to keep learning and you'll want to keep brushing up on new ways of doing things and even new software, andcontinually learning. And that's just part of the process. So, I think that's really good advice.
Melody Gonzalez: Not just in the technical side. You need to also find a company where you feel comfortable, when you feel that your voice is being heard, that you coworkers are part of your team and that everybody's working together toward the same goal, that you feel supported by the leadership in your company. That's one of the things that I really love about Black & Veatch. We, and especially the South Florida team, we're very united. We work together on everything. If I have question, if I need something, if I need help, everybody's there to support you. And I think that that totally makes a difference, because of course, we're going to have hard days and we're going to have a deadline that we need to rushh and days that you need to work until nine and 10:00 PM. But if you have the team that supports you and people that are putting you there, it's fine. You can go through that and you still enjoy it. It's not just working in a technical field that you like, but working in a company that you like and that you enjoy, and every single day that you go to - or that you have to connect now working from home - every single day that you drive to the office, you feel like you're driving to a place that you are going to enjoy.
Isaac Oakeson: So, I guess I just want to ask a little bit more of a deeper question there. If somebody has found themselves in a company that you feel like, maybe isn't that way what advice would you have for them? Would it be to try to, I guess, change culture or what?
Melody Gonzalez: Depending.I really like pushing boundaries in that sense, and always. Sometimes people are not aware of how they don't see your point of view. And so I feel like it's good to push a little bit to have your team to understand where you're coming from and to understand the particular situation that you are. And that's good. But if you find pushing too hard and you were very unhappy and you don't see a change, or you don't see that the culture in the company it's going to help you to move forward on these kinds of issues, I'll say, yes. Move on. Find another place.
Isaac Oakeson: Good advice. That's really good advice. I'm curious about this. Now you're in the engineering world what's a common myth that you thought about civil engineers, or even your professionthat maybe you could debunk? Was there something about civil engineers, and all of a sudden you are a civil engineer, that maybe you could shed some light on a myth maybe that you could debunk about civil engineers?
Melody Gonzalez: I'm not sure. I'm not sure exactly what vision I had before that I don't have now, and maybe because of the kind of work that I do. But one thing, if I have to say something, is that I thought that I will be doing a lot of math. And I found myself doing more reading and writing that I enjoy. I love reading, but I like reading for entertainment and, not technical reading and specification, and stuff like that. So, that's something I wasn't expecting. But the writing, I don't enjoy writing that much. And I know it might sounds a little bit weird after my article.
Isaac Oakeson: I think you're a great writer. We're going to link that article on. You're going to see how good of a writer you are.
Melody Gonzalez: But I, but that was something that I used to tell very often. I get into engineering because I didn't like writing. And I found myself writing more, and more, and more. So, yeah,
Isaac Oakeson: I think that's funny you say that. So I think there's some things in there. One, I think engineers don't realize this, but, you know, you go through so much technical background in school, you know? You're doing a ton of math, you're solving problems that are quite intense. And then when you're all done and you get into the working profession, you find out that a lot of the skills that you actually need are a lot of soft skills. So, like writingtalking to people, you know? Being able topresent an idea to other people. So, maybe that falls under speech. But it seems like there's a lot of soft skills that don't translate into the world of civil engineering yet. And you kind of have to either bring them out of you, or learn them, or work on them,hich ends up,you know, helping your career overall, but I think that is kind of a surprise to people.
Melody Gonzalez: Yeah. That is. It was a surprise. The writing part was very surprising to me. Like, seriously, I even had a conversation with one of the leadership in my [inaudible] in South Florida. One of the things that you said it was, "I didn't know that I would be writign this much".
Isaac Oakeson: You're writing books. That's awesome. Well, I'm going to jump into some quick questions with you, and you can take as long or as little as you want, but in your article you mentioned some mentors or people that really helped you along withthis journey, including thatEnglish teacher and others. Is there someonenow that you look up, even now in your journey, or were those people the main people you've looked up to and that have helped you on this journey?
Melody Gonzalez: Well, I'm still in very close contact with, a lot of them. My English teacher actually reviewed my article before it came out. I don't publish anything. Give me the "okay". So she's steal my mentor and the other ones are still very good friends. I still look up to them for advice once in a while. But they have been other people. I mean, the article could be only so long. So yeah, so I couldn't mention everybody. But I haveprofessors at school that have pushed me and that I still have breakfast with them once in a while to get some advice, their point of view. There are people right now in the company, and outside my company, that are my professional mentors every time that I have questions. So, I feel like mentorship is not something that you can start and end just because of certain period. But It's a life commitment and it have to flow. They have to be someone that you can trust, and that you feel that you can get advice that aligns with who you are. So, there are a lot of people that I can mention. I'm glad to say that, even inside the company, I have very, very good people who is mentoring me right now in the technical side and in the career advice. So that's great. Black & Veatch has actually formal mentorship program, which is pretty good. But I have others there is a little bit more informal that is -- I feel like you don't have to have just one mentor for everything. You can have multiple people giving you advice, and that hey are sure who is going to take the advice, so you can get different points of view and opinions, so you can make your own decision at the end.
Isaac Oakeson: I love that. I hope everyone that's listening, or watching, is listening to that about -- I think it would be helpful if you're in a spot to become a mentor to try to help other people, but also, if you're looking for a mentor, I think the tips that you gave are fantastic for people to try to search for that. Do you feel like that helped or was something -- I mean, it definitely helped you, but was there also any personal habits that you had that contributed to your success now in becoming a civil engineer?
Melody Gonzalez: I want to touch base with the mentorship again, because I want to say something else. You don't have to get to a point where you say, "Okay, now I'm sucessfully enough to be a mentor". I feel like you can always be a mentor because you have gone through certain stuff in life, like I have been a mentor for ESOL student at Miami Dade College. I have few people that went in the same class that I was, and I have been helping them with tips and advice. "I Did it this way. Maybe you can try". And that's not very advice, that's not technical advice, but it's still a way to guide them on how I went through. So, going back to the routine, I am not a good routine person, if you just focus on the routine part. But I will say the few things that have helped me out on my career has been, first networking. I learned very early in my student career that that was something important here in United States. In Venezuela is different. I don't know how to explain it. We don't have these kinds of organization these way, or it's not so popular when you're in school, being involved in these kinds of things. So I have to --
Isaac Oakeson: Like ASCE, or other organizations that you're part of?
Melody Gonzalez: Exactly. We have something called Colegio de Ingenieros, would be something like College of Engineering, but it's just a professional organization and it doesn't involve students at all. It's different. It's just different. I have to learn about the organization and the networking here. And that's one of the big advice that I give on my article becauseyour network is not something that you build today to next week. It's something that you have to build up little by little. So, the early that you start, the better. So, that's something that I think have been really good for me. Starting getting involved with the organization and then start creating my network with people at school and people outside of school within my profession. And I think that that have opened a lot of doors for me that, otherwise, wouldn't be possible.
Isaac Oakeson: Thagt makes sense. No, I think that's really some good tips there. Thank you for sharing that. Just to continue on some of these quick answer questions --
Melody Gonzalez: That wasn't quick. Sorry about that.
Isaac Oakeson: You're good. I said you could take as long as you wanted it. What's a good resource? Maybe you could recommend to the CEA community, the Civil Engineering Academy community, and maybe why you think it's a good one. And that could be, you know, software, a book, or anything else that you've come across that have been helpful for you.
Melody Gonzalez: Tools as a civil engineer in general, AutoCAD. That's something you need to learn. That's something you need to have in your pocket. For water resources engineers, GIS. That's an important one, too. Yeah, yeah. Yes. It's not commonly given at school as a required class, but at FIU, I was able to take it as an elective and it was a very good one. At least it gave me some introduction to the program. And I have used it a lot as a civil engineer now working. But I will say that with the leadership, any of the books can be fine. Read at least one that alligns with the type of leader that you want to be, because you can always learn something about either one. Even early in your career, when you don't feel that you are a leader, people are always going to be looking what you're doing. Always. Even if you are just an engineer one, you can still be a role model for others. People in your company that have more time or more experience, you can learn technical stuff from them, but you can teach the old fox other stuff that is coming from a new perspective.
Isaac Oakeson: Yes. The old timers can always learn something new. I work in the utility industry and so there are a lot of old timers there and getting them to change their mind on how it's always been done, can be difficult sometimes. But I think, you know, up and coming people can always share some advice. And as a beginning engineer, you know, your voice is still going to be heard no matter whatyou know,? You're an engineer. And so people value your input as an engineer. So they want to hear what you have to say. So, I like to ask this question, it's just kind of a fun one, but if you had all the resources and knowledge in the world, what's something you'd like to be a part of in the world of civil engineering?
Melody Gonzalez: Oh, that's a good one. That's a good one. If I could, and I have all the knowledge and I were able to do whatever I want, I will love to help to solve the water crisis problem. It's a big issue right now. There is a lot of people that just don't have access to clean water. And, we don't like it, but we can live without electricity. We can, we can survive. Yeah. You don't have your cell phone and you can survive. But you absolutely need clean water to live. That's something that I would love to --
Isaac Oakeson: Sorry, I didn't mean to cut you off. But in your mind, are you going back to Venezuela on experiences there when you're talking about this?
Melody Gonzalez: Definitely, yes. Yeah. In general, I know in the rest of the world, there are many, many places where water is a big issue, but of course I would love to be able to help my people, because it's something that is still happening right now. I spoke sometimes with my family there and my aunt, actually, I was spoken to her a couple of weeks ago, and she called me something like at 6:00 AM. And I was like, "How could you call me at 6:00 am?" Like, "Oh no, I'm [inaudible] but says 4:00 am. I say, "You're retired. You don't... I mean, you don't have to -- Why did you woke at 4 am?". She was like, "Oh, because I got up to do the laundry because the water flows at this time better". So that was a time that she was actually to get water good enough to be able to do the laundry. And to me, that was like -- It's incredible. It's just incredible that you need to wake up --
Isaac Oakeson: I think we should feel blessed for what we have here. But, obviously we need to be nice to take part in helping other people. If you're waking up at 4:00 AM to get water that's not a godd start for your day.
Melody Gonzalez: Exactly. Exactly. For her is now normal because you have to do it every week. But to me it was like, things are wrong. This is not the way we should do it.
Isaac Oakeson: Do you ever envision yourself going back there to try to help them with some of that?
Melody Gonzalez: Definitely. I would love to. How things are ruining there right now, I don't think it's going to be a possibility just in the short term. But I hope things change in the future and I'm able to go back and help. That will be awesome. I hope something change soon.
Isaac Oakeson: Well, I really appreciate that. I think, you know, everything you've shared with us has been very inspiring. If those listening haven't read the article, we'll make sure we link it in any description where the show is and make sure people can read that as well. And they'll get more detail obviously on your, on your journey. But I think what you've shared here has been very inspiring. Sounds like you love where you work and that's amazing as well. Is there any last piece of guidance that you have for us andwhat's the best way for people to get ahold of you if they want to reach out to you to ask questions?
Melody Gonzalez: The last thing that I want to say it, and I didn't want to leave without mentioning, is that my big or the best advice that I got in life, I was a little girl and it was my grandmother. She couldn't go to school because she was a woman, and at that time, women needed to learn to do house stuff and not going to school. She couldn't go because her father told her taht she didn't need to go back to school. She didn't need to go to school. She didn't need to learn to do anything because you are going to be a mom and you just need to learn how to cook and clean and those kinds of things. So, when it was my time, she always told me, you need to take advantage of the opportunity that you have to go to school and succeed and do something else because I couldn't do it. She learned to write and read because she was very persistent until later with her brother's books. So, to me, it was always, "I have opportunities that a lot of women before me didn't have. So I need to keep pushing and making progress". So, not just for me, so I could value my grandmothers. But also for all the women behind me, that might have better opportunities because I have been pushing the bar. So that's something that I really wanted to say. I know that a lot of guys out , and I'm sure all of you have mothers, some of you might have daughters, some of you might have sisters, don't think yourself just as a guy being as the son of a woman, and help to push that boundary a littel bit more every day. It takes a lot of balls to keep pushing. And for all the women out there, please keep working on your goal. You can be whatever you want. If ou want to be a driver, or a scientist, or an engineer, or anything else you want to do, you can do it. There is no right or wrong answer. You can do whatever you want. And that's my biggest, biggest advice to everybody out there. And how can you find me? You can go to LinkedIn and find me with Melody A Gonzalez, or you can look me up on Instagram, @melodygonzfiu. And I'll be happy to answer questions to anyone. If anyone needs some advice, I'm always happy to help. Always happy to help.
Isaac Oakeson: I love that. Well, I think your advice is spot on. I'd love to see more women in engineering. You know, in general, I feel like it's probably like 75% men and 25% female. And, you know, and that's maybe a combination of what people are interested in as well.
Melody Gonzalez: Officially 21%.
Isaac Oakeson: Okay. You know it better than me. I don't know. That's great. But yeah, don't let anything stop you. I love that advice and, you know, you can be whatever you want to be,. So, you know, go for it. And you gotta love grandmas. They always give the best advice. Always giving that knowledge. So. Wow. That's awesome. Well, Melody, thank you so much for joining the show. Really thank you for joining me. It's been a real fun pleasure to have you on the show and, really, you've shared a lot with us. So, I really do appreciate it.
Melody Gonzalez: Thank you very much. And thank you for having me.
Isaac Oakeson: All right. We'll see you later. Bye.
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