Isaac (00:10): What is up everybody? Isaac here with Civil Engineering Academy, excited to be with you on another podcast episode. Thanks for liking. Thanks for subscribing, thanks for being interested in this stuff, in this weird part of the internet that you have found us, and we appreciate you leaving a, like, leaving a comment and all of that jazz. So today I'm excited to bring a special guest on. His name is Kenny Winston, and he is a, a drainage engineer out of Florida and does some really neat stuff, but I'm bringing him on because he was a past course student who passed his water resources depth exam and he shares some true value bombs in this episode about preparing for your PE exam. Now, it only took him about a month and a half of study time, but when he really drills into something, he goes all in studies crazy hours and reaches his goals.

Isaac (00:52): But he shares some really neat insights as to you discovering what works for you and your own study methods. And it's really what led him to finding us o on our course at Civil Engineering Academy. And he found us actually through Chet GPT. So I thought that was pretty funny, . Anyway, he shares all this details and more in today's episode. There's a lot of good information here, I'm sure will be good for you if you're preparing for your PE exam. So if you are in that boat, you're gonna wanna listen to this episode with Kenny Winston coming up right after this. We'll see you in a minute.

Isaac (01:25): Alright, Kenny, we're rocking and rolling. Thanks for joining me today on the Civil Engineering Academy podcast. Appreciate you doing this with me.

Kenny (01:31): Yeah, of course, of course.

Isaac (01:33): Well, I'm excited you passed your PE exam, which is a huge milestone and a big congratulations to you. It sounds like you're coming off being sick from celebrating though. What happened there?

Kenny (01:44): Yeah, we my wife and I, we we decided to do, we had our honeymoon about a year and a half ago, and we did like a part two of our honeymoon and it just so lined up towards like, perfect. I think I got my score back like the night before we left. So it was just supposed to be like celebrate or, you know, go have fun to forget it kind of thing. Came back with with some pretty bad some stomach bugs and ended up in the hospital, but we're recovering .

Isaac (02:16): I'm glad you're feeling better, but man, that, that's, that's a rough way to celebrate .

Kenny (02:21): I know, right.

Isaac (02:23): Well let's back up. I guess for those that are listening, I always love to kind of kick these off telling us a little bit about your own history. Like how did you get into engineering? Why did you jump into this world? You also do a little bit of entrepreneurship stuff, so why don't you kind of tell us your background and how you ended up here?

Kenny (02:42): Yeah, yeah. Well, for me I come from a pretty traditional Indian family. And so as the stereotype goes, you know, both my parents are in it. They're, they're both software engineers. And that's kind of the, the standard for, for us. And so my, my parents kind of wanted me to go that way, and as a matter of fact, I do love to code. I I loved the program and things like that. I just, actually, what it was, was growing up I couldn't stand the idea of a nine to five. I just, I was, that was just the craziest thing to me. And so civil engineering seemed like such a good, like in-between,you know, I'm not just creating something that's purely software, you know. So that's, that was what really pushed me towards the engineering side of things. Ubut,you know, moving around, I actually moved from India,to New Jersey, down to Florida,where kind of settled down. Ubut during the whole moving process as a child, you know, it's kind of difficult. I found that I was pretty unmotivated when I was younger. Ubut,some, something clicked around probably like 17, 18 years old. And,I just, you know, caught this, got this bug, you know, big drive.

Kenny (04:07): And so went into went into my civil engineering school and I actually got an internship with a company, same company I'm with today, contour Engineers. And I think I was 18 years old. I, they, they just took a shot with me and and you know, I started doing a lot of work for them and you know, obviously it's been good. I'm still working with them, but started pretty young and just, you know, kept to it. I, I loved it. Still though, not super fond of the nine to five. So hence comes in the whole entrepreneur thing. So I think I was, I wanna say 20, no, I was 21. I was 21. It was last year. I I started a small business. I flipped a home. And I also got married about two years ago.

Kenny (05:03): I give so just, you know, trying to, trying to do things, you know I have a small startup that I've been putting a lot of time into right now. But yeah, I mean, you know, it, it gradually going. You know, I, I taken one day at a time. I have my ambition. My, my goal is just not stop. That's the thing, you know, when you, when you stop, even with this kind of stuff, you know, you ask about, I ended up here with, with the exam and I see a lot of my coworkers, even successful people that I work under who, you know, just struggle to pass the PE just because it's, when you stop, it's hard to bring it back .

Isaac (05:48): Yeah, man. So you're busy, you've got a lot going on. Seems like all this is converging all at the same time. Um how did you make passing the PE a priority? Like, why was that a priority among all this other stuff? I imagine you wanted to get it, but it sounds like you had a lot of stuff going on and, and then, you know, how did you make time for, for study you know, for your prep for that?

Kenny (06:14): Yeah. you know, I, I like to, that's a good question. That's a really good question. And, and I, I wish I just had a, had this magical answer to give you. But honestly, the answer I'm gonna give you is pretty vanilla and it's probably gonna be the best way to go for the people. I can make it work. I, I like to read a lot of books, listen to a lot of podcasts, and so I, I've found that very successful people have good ways of managing their time and being able to shift focuses very quickly. I've never been able to be that way. I, I am the kind of person that starts something and gets into it and like, doesn't realize it's 3:00 AM because I just am so like into it. Very difficult for me to shift focuses laterally. So I always knew that when the time came for my PE exam, that I would just need to allocate some time and put all the other things on pause. And really that was the, how I planned for this, you know, when I started looking at my goals, my aspirations, this little two month timeframe was the only two months that I felt that I could do that because I, I'm transitioning away from real estate and more into like a consulting consulting, like optimization kind of company, right? Or firm right now with my own private endeavors. So that was like a good, because of the transition, I was a good time to pause on that.

Kenny (07:51): With work, you know, they, they work was almost always ready to accommodate, you know, these kinds of things. Still had a 40 hour work week or workload and sometimes more, but was able to manage that. I've been married for a while, so my wife was definitely on board, which huge, I, I don't think that it would've been possible without that. And what does she do, by the way?

Isaac (08:14): I'm just curious. Like, is she, is she working somewhere too?

Kenny (08:18): So, yeah, my wife actually, we, we dated Albert College. She got married pretty much way outta college, and she, she got her studio art degree mm-hmm . And went into teaching. She was an art teacher for a while. And that was, she, that was just so much on our family, on her. It was just, it was rough going. And I, kudos saw the teachers out there. I don't know how they do it, let alone their families. Oh my goodness. And so with that, she actually shifted gears to real estate. 'cause I did the flip and she kind of fell in love with that. And so she got her license and she's been doing acting as a real estate agent in this Tampa, Zephyr Hills, Wesley Chapel area.

Isaac (09:02): Wow. But else mm-hmm .

Kenny (09:05): Right? So it, it, a lot of moving parts, you know, and exactly like I said, you know, it's, we have our goals and aspirations. It's one step at a time. And, and, and really, like I told you, you know, I, I had to tell myself I need to allocate, and I honestly, if I'm being real, I said two months, I knew in the back of my mind it'd be one month. And, you know, I also mentioned like I'm the type of person to start something, see it through and move on. Like, I, I just, I don't, I, I've been known to start my own personal projects and work through the entire night, you know, come home from work, start on something. I don't stop until it's morning, get ready for work again. Like, I, I just, and you know, I, I will say it's far and few in between, but when, when I get those passionate projects, that's how it goes for me. And, and I know not everybody's like that. I even at work, I don't take a lunch break 'cause I just don't like to stop. I just want to get it done, you know? Wow. I, I'll just usually eat while I work or something, but.

Isaac (10:10): How many hours do you think you put into studying in that timeframe?

Kenny (10:15): You know, I was trying to think about like, the actual hours actually before we even got on this call. And I, if I had to guess, I would say it was about 10 to 12 full days. When I say full, I mean like morning to night, like it was, the entire day was only that. So call it between like 80, 120 hours, something, some, somewhere in that range. Now for my FE exam I decided to just kind of wing it like a little bit. I had just come outta college. I was like, this, you know, pretty fresh in my mind. So I just, you know, watched some YouTube videos, did some practice exams. I studied for like three days. Then again, when I say three days, I locked myself on a room and morning to night, you know, nothing but studying. And that worked out. It passed the first time, so that was great. I knew looking at the coursework that this would not be that simple, especially because it's been a few years gap.

Kenny (11:22): So what I did was I actually started studying about two months in advance. I really started like three months, but that first month I did maybe two modules. Like, it was just so slow. That second month came along and I tried to stick to a module a day and kind of like, I found like an hour in my day between, you know, gym or whatever, you know what I mean? But that also, it was, it was, I was getting through the modules, but I knew because I know how I work, that it wasn't gonna be super efficient. And, and unfortunately it wasn't because I came to the last month, you know, it was about three, four weeks up before my exam, and that's when I was like, all right, let's, let's kick into gear. And I, I wasn't nervous. I planned out based on the timings and the module, like time, you know, time, I had to study pretty much what I did was did a module the day, very strictly that last month.

Kenny (12:27): And then I, it was around Memorial Day weekend, and I took like two days off of work. So I had a three day weekend, took two days off of work. So I had like five days before my exam day. And I took those five days. I literally did about probably half of your course in, in the, in those five days. And three day, got to do one practice exam, like all the way through making sure I understood like how to get every single one of those right. You know not leading any loose ends. And honestly, by the end of that, I felt so confident I could pass it. Like, I, I didn't even, I, I mean, I knew that there was always a chance, you know, that I would need to take it again. But I was like, if I fail this, I don't really think it's because of preparation what was making me nervous, which, you know, is I think uncommon.

Kenny (13:18): But for me is I, because I'm, I'm used to these study habits, like the stuff I learned in the first month, I felt a bit fuzzy on you know, because I felt like it was so distant compared to when I kind of sprinted for it, you know? And just really, I, I learned best when everything's kind of close together and I can connect a lot of dots, you know what I mean? But I mean, I think your course is very streamlined and I, I think it, and I knew that just doing a quick overview when I planned for this month of, you know, like how I'm gonna sprint, how I'm gonna get there understand everything, not only just do the modules, but to actually successfully absorb the information in the modules. Oh, man. So yeah, I mean, planning was huge, I would say.

Kenny (14:08): But, you know, I, I, that's what worked for me, and.

Isaac (14:12): You gotta do what works for you. So, and you know yourself, which is nice, because some people are kinda like, I don't know how long this thing's gonna take me, but you, you know yourself and you know what you needed to do. So I think we need to back up a little bit. So for those that don't are listening, maybe they don't understand, but you, you used our course, civil Engineering Academy the ultimate civil p review co course. Why did you, why did you find us, why did you use that course instead of a lot of the other options? Like what, how, how, how did you even discover that?

Kenny (14:42): Well, you'll have to thank Chad GPT for that . So I, I basically sat in Y one day and I was like, first of all, this is what, to be honest with you, I started out by booking my exam. I knew rough timeframe, like I told you, transition between what I'm doing and my personal business work, you know, we, we finally settled into this house. Like, there, there are lots of different factors that play role. I was like, this is a good time. And, and I knew my vacation was already booked for, for, you know, mid early June. So I booked the exam completely blind, just booked it. It was like booked out I think by like six months. So I just booked it. And then like a month or so later, I sat down chat G pt. I was like, listen, I, I basically explained my study habits, you know, and I was like, I, I've heard lots of people going with the bigger, you know, I think civil school of PE I think EEI, something like that, or EET, maybe mm-hmm . Another big one, I think.

Kenny (15:46): I've heard of them, but I've also heard of coworkers complaining about the lectures and, and stuff. And, and I was, I'm, I don't, I mean, in a way, I'm proud of this in a way. I'm not proud of this, but like, my last like, year of year of college, I mean, like, I just didn't go because I figured out that like, I, I, I go to the lectures and like basically sleep through 'em, and then I come home and I basically just sit down with the book or with practice, probably. Yeah. And I just like, just looking at all of them together in one place and figuring them out and obviously getting help. I'm not saying that I'm beyond that, I'm saying like seeing it all together, figuring it out at the same time that really connects everything. So I explained that to track GPT and that I would be bored and probably lose interest of on wood, like lectures.

Kenny (16:39): And this came up and I was like, okay, this is a, this is a, seems like a more problem based based approach. So then I started looking at your website and, you know, some of the resources that you have just available. And I was like, I think this is gonna suit me a lot. You know, I think this makes a lot of sense for how I study. And it was perfect. And, and I mean, I, I will say this as an eng, as somebody that is, is an engineer that works with engineers, I think we to some degree think alike. You know, I think a lot of us, I do work with people that really appreciate the long, long format lectures, the, you know, binder, you know?

Isaac (17:24): Yeah.

Kenny (17:25): And that's good. I think that they offer, they have a different skillset, and I think that's great, you know, I think what's needed. Um but as far as the, I definitely know other people like me that I really like to see, you know, let me tell you some information that you need to know. Let me show you some example problems. And then here are a list of problems that if you can't figure out, I have a solution for, you know, and it's just so streamlined and that was so appealing to me. So I, it just seemed perfect.

Isaac (17:58): Well, that's the first I've ever heard of someone using chat GPT to, to find us. So that's pretty cool. Great.

Kenny (18:06): You share that chat with you. I really went back and forth.

Isaac (18:09): You should. I wanna see that thing. . That's awesome. Oh, man. Well, I, I love some of these pointers that you're pointing out, and I think it's important for other people to hear this. Like, they need to know themselves. Like know, know your study habits. If you're self, you know, you're a go-getter. You can study it on your own. You wanna see it all, you know, at one time and see how it all fits. And, and I love that you also put pressure on yourself in, in, in the terms that you, you know, you scheduled an exam, you know, you put a date to it, and then you kind of backtrack from there. And so a lot of people don't do that. They'll kick it down the road so many times that, you know, it's like, man, you, you gotta stick with it and let's, it's human nature to kind of wanna do that. But if you're putting a date to it, then there's some automatic pressure that comes along with that. And it sounds like you know yourself and you know how to study, and I'm glad the course could, could help you get there.

Isaac (19:06): So is there any tricks that you found, and, and maybe we need to back up too, like, what depth exam did you actually take? You know,

Kenny (19:17): Lot of resources. Lot of resources.

Isaac (19:19): Okay. And did you feel like there was any tricks on the exam that you were, you know, as you went through the actual exam that was like, Hey, this is tricky, or, I wasn't prepared for this, or anything that came up like that?

Kenny (19:33): I think the preparation I got from doing the full course and knowing that I did the whole course was enough confidence that when there was, I mean, I had some like, weird structures, questions even, you know, like that shocked some of my peers. Like, you had this on your exam. I was like, yeah, I did. You know, I I I jotted down the questions right after I got out because I was like, I'm, so, and then there were, there were a few problems that even my like peers were like, I have no idea how to solve this. You know, I would use online resources, couldn't figure it out, because I think, I think they have experimental questions. I think they try stuff out and, and then the thing was, I was confident enough with the other problems that I, I didn't really feel the need to worry about those, you know, one-off things. And I, I really think that that was something I learned from the Effie and it carried through, carried through to be true with the pe. And, and that's that like they, they are gonna throw some sticky tricky stuff your way. I mean,

Isaac (20:36): Yeah,

Kenny (20:37): They do that. Anything I think that's a surprise from the course. I think I would default back to, it's not the things that are like, that are not, are far and few in between, enough that if you're confident with the course material, I don't think that it's a problem, you know?

Isaac (20:54): Yeah. It's like these fringe topics, these fringe kinda things that they throw in may throw people off. But if you're good at the core material, you should be solid at taking the exam. So. Good. That makes sense.

Kenny (21:06): This is definitely not, I'm glad I don't, I didn't get them score back because I, I'm the type of person that if I had gotten like an 80 or 85 I'd a question, like, why didn't I get a hundred? But then I don't want to do that because this is not that kind of exam. You're not gonna get a hundred. Correct. Yeah. At least from my perspective, it's not like the, they can just ask such outlier questions, you know, that if you're worried about every little outlier cr possible question, I mean, this is no longer a whatever, three month course or whatever, you know, it's gonna be a lot more to handle all of those.

Isaac (21:46): How, what was your approach to taking practice exams? Some people, you know, take 'em different ways, but what was your approach, you going through the course or even exams, maybe you had other material, but how did you approach practice exams?

Kenny (22:02): Yeah. I think you'll find that I, I do this, but you pointed it out. I, I set a goal and I work backwards to achieve it. I've always noticed that because when I don't set those can just keeps get kicked down the road, you know? And one of the things I've learned about myself is I always need to connect it to the end. And, and if it doesn't connect to the end, I lose interest. And that's really where the lecture format loses me. 'cause Sometimes there's a lengthy intro even, or, or they start, start with material I already know to build off of, but they already lose me 'cause I'm not interested 'cause I'm not going towards my goal, you know? Mm-Hmm . So kind of bringing it back to your question I would say like, my approach was every question that I took, I needed to know how to do in and out. Because every question was in my mind an exam question. So all of those example questions that you would have on the course I would view it as an exam question, you know, so meaning I would not be comfortable hitting next if I did not fully know how to solve that problem. And so I did that through your entire course. And then at the end of it, I took one practice exam, the NCES 1, I actually wanted to take like three but kind of towards the end, I hit a few modules particularly in the water quality sections, because I'm not in that world.

Kenny (23:41): I'm actually, I, I'm a drainage engineer and do roadway design. So the water quality, I mean, we do that to a degree, but like water treatment, like, that's all, you know, totally different ballgame. So there were certain like questions that I probably spent three hours on, you know, because like, yeah, I watched your solution, but I needed to know why did you reach this conclusion or this assumption, or, you know what I mean? So there's so many different things to like figure out. So I would say that was the bulk of the work. But once that work was done, when I did the practice exam, most of the questions I just knew how to solve. Or if I didn't, I would, you know, what I would do is I'd solve it and I would immediately back check it with the answer. And if it matched, I would just look at the solution.

Kenny (24:31): All right? Yeah. It's the same thing. I didn't just get lucky. All right, next question. If it was wrong, then I would look at the solution and it's more than just, okay, now I know how to, now I could solve this. It's like, if I, if this was brand new question, would I be able to know how to solve it? Like, would I be able to reason out things that were reasoned out in the solution? You know?

Isaac (24:52): Yeah, that makes sense. And in the course we give you a PDF exam that kinda allows you to do that, but we also give you like that CBT exam, which is more of like a, you know, true to form test that we do allow you to pause it kind of in the middle of it, but yeah, you kinda, we, we get you set up to try to make it look like the real deal. And so imagine you took those a little bit differently in your approach.

Kenny (25:16): Yeah. And that was, that was the only thing I would say I would regret with my, my approach. But because I, I didn't, I, I don't know if I would say I mismanaged the time 'cause it worked out, but like coming closer to the end, I had to make a decision like, would this leftover time that I have, am I gonna take a practice exam or am I gonna go back to this module and really understand these questions that I feel a little iffy on? You know? And I made the decision to go back to the modules, which did pay off, I would say because I, the kind of monotonous going back and, and like really going deep into these things that I felt weak on kind of strengthened the line of reasoning, you know? Yeah. So like there were questions in the, in the water treatment parts of the exam that were like, how would I know this? You know? But just with the line of reasoning that I learned staring at these problems, I was able to figure it out. You know,

Isaac (26:16): You start to start to learn it a little bit. Mm-Hmm. So that's great, man. How did you, or, or what advice would you give to people that struggle with the theory? Like, you know, theory questions that pop up. How do you prepare for that? I mean, know in the course we try to prepare you for that, but it's impossible to really prepare you for all theory that they could throw at you. How, what was your approach with that?

Kenny (26:39): I honestly, you know, I don't wanna sound redundant, but the, the biggest thing with that was was you know, doing every problem and knowing the why behind it all, you know? And, and it's, I I will, I will, I think this is important for people considering your this course to understand this is not the kind of course that you hit play and recline and just, you know, succeed. I would say that if that were your goal, you, you should seek out a more extended lecture kind of course this is more for people that like, you know, know. No, I, I'm, I think if somebody knows how to study, so I, I would even say that people that have been removed from college or or an academic setting for a long time may struggle, may, I don't know. I, I'm haven't been there. But for somebody that's seasoned in it and knows how to study, like this is like the gold, the golden court for me. You know, I just think it's like, but, but the warning I'm trying to give is that like, you really need to get the most out of every problem because you've structured these problems to be like pinpoints in, in this whole like canvas.

Kenny (27:58): That is everything you need to know. And if you just look at each individual dot and move on without understanding the full, you know, area of impact of each like point made by each question, I don't think you'll get everything outta this course. They need to, you know?

Isaac (28:12): Yeah. You kinda nailed it. I mean, we want to give you everything you need and not more. So this is not a college course where we're spelling it out from A to Z, but we are giving you all the tools you need to, to get the exam done. You know, and that's, that's, at least that's our goal. That's something that I wanted and that's what we tried to create for people. So I think you got some good points there for sure.

Kenny (28:35): Yeah. , so what

Isaac (28:38): Maybe last couple questions I have for you. Like, what was your mindset when you went and took the exam? I, I know oftentimes we kind of preached doing a kind of a three pass system, but what was your approach and mindset when you actually sat down to take the exam?

Kenny (28:54): Yeah, so I have always had this, I I'm not a good test taker. I've never have been like if you want me to talk on a subject, I will prove to you that I know it in and out. But there's this, this testing format that I'm not particularly fond of. But I love solving problems. You know, I, I just love the idea of getting something that doesn't work and making it work. Hmm. And so that's really the approach I took. That's the mindset I had going in. My strategy for taking the exam was not anything like a three pass. It, I've, I basically divided up my time into quarters for ease of calculation, and I would say, okay, or, or maybe I even did it by hour hours, I'm pretty sure I did it by hours. So I said at, you know, at, at the end of the hour, I need to have done, was it 10 questions? I think six questions, minutes question, right? Mm-Hmm . So at the end of the hour, I need to have 10 questions done. Now. I'm not gonna be, if I had eight, I'm not gonna be like, worried about it because I'm expecting the next 10 to compensate. 'cause Some questions are like, you know, 30 seconds, you know what I mean? Right. So I think, I think that that, that, that, that works for me. You know, so like averaging it out. So if I'm at like by the time I was halfway through the exam, I, I had like an hour to spare extra. So I would know like, okay, there's this problem. I can't immediately figure it out. Let me just spend this time to figure it out.

Kenny (30:33): I've learned that the, for myself, the worst thing that I could do is spend like, you know, say 10 minutes on a question, trying to figure it out, then not figuring it out, putting a star on it, you know, and then at the end I have some time and come back and it's like that all that initial 10 minutes of thinking just got wasted. 'cause Now I gotta reintroduce myself to the question and you know what I mean?

Isaac (30:56): Yeah. So it can be hard to re restart.

Kenny (31:00): Right. So,

Isaac (31:01): So you just took them as they were given and it hard or not, you would just work, worked your way through it and got an a solution. Right.

Kenny (31:10): So if I was getting to the point where I was like, okay, I am looking at the time, by the end of the hour, I'm not gonna, I'm gonna have like seven done. You know, like, I don't want that. Well, what I'll do is I would accept that maybe I just won't get this problem. Right. Right. The one I'm stuck on. And I would do the best I could because I've already spent the time take pretty much the answer I'm gonna stick with, take an educated guess, you know mm-hmm . And then flag it. And at the end, you know, if you have the time, come back. I, I had an abundance of time at the end. So I really went back and got to spend a lot of time with those problems.

Isaac (31:49): That's great, man. Well, this has been an awesome interview. Thanks for sharing your wisdom. I mean, is there any other tips that you would share with anybody taking a water resources exam?

Kenny (32:00): Yeah, I actually, I would urge one thing, like if my life could not have gone like completely on pause, pretty much, I, I know I needed to keep working, but besides work, I was able to put everything on pause, a maintenance on the house you know, cooking dishes, whatever. My wife really helped me out and, you know, took care of that. And I, I really put really tried to, you know, put the business stuff on pause. I really focused on nothing but work and studying for the, for me it was like a month, month and a half maybe. But I would, I would highly recommend that people do that. I mean, obviously I know some people are in different situations, they have kids and stuff, and it's harder. And for you guys, you know, bless your souls. I, I don't think I could have done it. I, you know, I really think that allocating the time for it. And I do think the book, like you said, booking the exam and then figuring it out is the best way I would say. 'cause You know, as engineers we figure things out, you know, and so we'll, we'll make it work.

Kenny (33:12): I think the best thing you can do is, you know, also it's like if need to reschedule it, you just pay that whatever, 50 fee, $50 fee or something and move it. And that's even like more of a motivator to stick to it, you know? And so those would be my little, my little bits of advice.

Isaac (33:28): Love it. Love it. And maybe my last question is if you did recommend taking this course to a friend, I guess you, you kinda outlined all those things, but personally, why would you recommend someone else taking the course from CEA?

Kenny (33:46): Well, I've already done, so I've already referred you guys to multiple people. Oh yeah. Because I mean, I don't know if they'll end up going with this course, but I think, like I told you, I mean, I, I, I only good things, you know, with this course, I, I think there were a few things that I sent to you that were kind of difficult and it was a transition between the CERM phasing out of that and, and there's some parts of the course spec, but it, it was not a big deal. Um besides that, I think everything was honestly like, as good as it could have been, you know keeping all the lectures nice and brief, and like you said, as engineers we figure things out, you know, and you give us everything that we need to figure it out. And nothing more, I think getting flooded with useless information just devalues the useful information, you know? So to answer your question I, I think a lot of my peers are interested in not wasting their time with lectures and or you know, lot tons of study material. And, you know, a lot of people are busy, you know, so I, I tell 'em like, this is, if, you know, I I I, I also will let you know that I don't the, I personally don't just tell everybody to use it. 'cause I definitely do have peers, like coworkers that I work with that I can tell would, would struggle with a more streamlined approach like this. Mm-hmm . You know, so, and, and even talking to them, maybe I would let them know what I did in my experience, but you'll know those, some people are just like, yes, that's what I need, you know, and some people like, I think I prefer live shares, so ,

Isaac (35:29): That makes sense. Awesome. Kenny, thanks for doing this. Appreciate you jumping on If people wanted to reach out to you, whether it's your side gig or just you personally, and ask questions about your experience how can they reach out to you?

Kenny (35:42): Um probably my professional email, k [email protected].

Isaac (35:48): Okay. We're gonna list that. Well, thanks Kenny, for doing this, and hopefully we'll talk to you in the future.

Kenny (35:54): Yeah, of course.

Isaac (35:56): All right, see ya.

Kenny (35:58): Bye.